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To: Grig
I didn't say it wasn't slavery

You said "Calling them a slave is decpetive."

if a slave was treated harshly they would be set free.

Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."

This says that you couldn't kill a slave outright, but you could beat him/her severely enough that they could die a day or two later and that's okay.

25 posted on 06/23/2003 8:26:53 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
"You said "Calling them a slave is decpetive." "

Yup, because that emotionally charged word carries with it the ideas of American slavery before the Civil War. It is deceptive to lead people to think that Judism practiced the same kind of slavery that was practiced in the USA.

"This says that you couldn't kill a slave outright, but you could beat him/her severely enough that they could die a day or two later and that's okay. "

It's setting different penalties for murder and manslaughter, just as is still done in our legal system.

If you injure your own slave, it costs you the value of the work the slave would have done if not injured. If you beat your slave so hard that he dies later on, it likewise will cost you the value of having that slave around. That isn't saying it's OK, it's saying that hurting your own slave will automaticly inflict a punishment on you without anyone having to do anything about it.

"Even those "nicities" only applied to Hebrew slaves"

Non Jewish slaves were not kidnapped, but people who willingly sold themselves as slaves in exchange for a sum of money and guaranteed shelter and food. The master was still required to treat them humanely and make sure they have all necessary comforts, even if he the master had to go without to do it.

You really are barking up the wrong tree. It's a fact that slavery as practiced under Judism was a LOT more civil than the word 'slavery' suggests. Go read up on it yourself if you don't belive me, I'm not spending any more time on this with you.
27 posted on 06/23/2003 10:24:09 PM PDT by Grig
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