'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms

Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

[Calpernia]

So. This means that disclaimer stickers can be put on religion books stating that creationism is a theory and not a fact.

One book gets it...the other books get it.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Tax payers do not have to pay for Bibles.

[Derrald]

Actually, eurythrocytes, leukocytes, thrombocytes, all are produced from one type of master blood stem cell, so it is conceivable that a being entirely lacking of thrombocytes could easily receive them, as the master blood cell holds the key to all types of blood cell. So, in the model of evolution, blood did not occur first, and then things bled to death. Rather, when blood came about, the entire package came with it. In short, blood never did exist without the clotting mechanism and the entire assumption that we had to learn to clot is based upon a rather flawed understanding of human physiology.

[Aric2000]

Sounds like a plan to me.

All's fair.....

[BenLurkin]

Your post #72 has a civil tone and offers reasoned basis for your point.

I don't agree with you but I do appreciate and enjoy reading this kind of presentation.

[Servant of the Nine]

I can examine gravity without leaving my desk...I can't travel anywhere in the world and examine 'evolution'.

You can sort of examine some aspects of it in certain conditions at your desk, hardly enough to make any judgements.

So9

[ALS]

here:
http://conservababes.com

And ConservaBabes are a lot funnier at parties than soured up evo chicks.

[ALS]

So you don't have a source for the spew?


Why does that not surprise us...

[RaceBannon]

(Gen 1:1 KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

(Gen 1:2 KJV) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

(Gen 1:3 KJV) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

(Gen 1:4 KJV) And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

(Gen 1:5 KJV) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

(Gen 1:6 KJV) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

(Gen 1:7 KJV) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

(Gen 1:8 KJV) And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

(Gen 1:9 KJV) And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

(Gen 1:10 KJV) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

(Gen 1:11 KJV) And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

(Gen 1:12 KJV) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

(Gen 1:13 KJV) And the evening and the morning were the third day.

(Gen 1:14 KJV) And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

(Gen 1:15 KJV) And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

(Gen 1:16 KJV) And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

(Gen 1:17 KJV) And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

(Gen 1:18 KJV) And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

(Gen 1:19 KJV) And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

(Gen 1:20 KJV) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

(Gen 1:21 KJV) And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

(Gen 1:22 KJV) And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

(Gen 1:23 KJV) And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

(Gen 1:24 KJV) And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

(Gen 1:25 KJV) And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

(Gen 1:26 KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

(Gen 1:27 KJV) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

(Gen 1:28 KJV) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

(Gen 1:29 KJV) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

(Gen 1:30 KJV) And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

(Gen 1:31 KJV) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

(Gen 2:1 KJV) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

[Normal4me]

Well, this has been fun. Guess I'll go up top and see what religious fanatic has blown up another innocent person....

[Aric2000]

I am ONLY rude to those that have a history of being rude to me.

Racebannon has never been OPENLY rude to me, therefore I gave a reasoned response without emotion to it.

Others do NOT get the same treatment.

They attack me, I defend myself.

[marbren]

The speed of light is slowing down.

[ApesForEvolution]

If science has no clue how we got here and doesn't like God's 'science', then they shouldn't teach it.

Man is in a quest to find reason for being - because man doesn't like God's one and only answer for it.

But that doesn't mean that uncorroborated junk science, like evolution, should be thrown in (as FACT when it's NOT REMOTELY) to be the cornerstone of the rest of the biological sciences - or anything else for that matter.

I have seen science affirm God's Word over and over again, and yet I haven't found science affirm ANYTHING about evolution.

[PatrickHenry]

PLACEMARKER

[Finny]

"evolution is a theory, not a fact .... So is Gravity, Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Chaos, ....

So9

Excellent,, Servant of 9! The word "Theory" is like the word "tap." You can "tap" someone on the shoulder, which is very different than to "tap" someone's bank account. Same word, different meanings. According to my dictionary, the popular usage of the word "theory" is "a mere hypothesis, conjecture, guess."

Natural selection (i.e., "evolution,") is an observed scientific phenomenon, and I have read much about the subject. The word "theory" in the application of evolution, as it is in mathematics or music, refers to another meaning of the word "theory," to wit: "that branch of art or science consisting in a knowledge of its principles and methods ..."

I've taken music "theory" in college, and it is NOT hypothesis or conjecture, it is classic "theory," the definition of working principles, as is "evolution" as pertains to the phenomenon of natural selection.

Natural selection has been observed again and again in flora and fauna, where certain traits that were successful in one environment, became a liability in a changed environment, and the plants/animals that had those characteristics died or were eaten before they matured to have offspring; the ones without the liable characteristic survied and had offspring, whose liklihood of inheriting that characteristic was greater -- hence their "evolution" from having one trait to having another.

Personally, I think that evolution itself is Intelligent Design, and very very much in line with God and His miracles. The New Testament speaks in parables -- for Pete's Sake, SO DOES GENESIS!!! In a nutshell, natural selection's bottom line is: adapt or perish. In God's spiritual world, we as human beings either adapt our societies to His wise laws, or we perish.

[Aric2000]

You disapoint me ALS, I gave you a non sourced article, I thought for sure that you would be upset enough to find the source by yourself, and show me what a big boy you were.

But, you aren't a big boy, so I guess I have to lead you by the nose. But, Why am I NOT surprised?

Google is your friend.....

Sorry, I ain't your daddy, go find it!!

[ApesForEvolution]

INCOMING!!!

Look, if you're going to bleed all over this thread, then at least put on a bandage.

[ALS]

Aric2000 is the designated evo attack-chihuahua.

Watch n learn. He started this thread to argue. Just look at the title and then cruise back through any his posts on this board for a clue.

Take note of his 2nd post in this thread.

[ApesForEvolution]

evotard placemarker placemarker BTTT

[CobaltBlue]

I've been speculating as to why Creationists never want to challenge theories about the evolution of the Universe, and here is my hypothesis: they don't really care, as long as they, themselves, were specially created. Something about evolving from fish bothers them. I think it's due to an inferiority complex.