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Don't condemn Israel to India's fate (An Indian gets it)
Jerusalem Post ^ | 6/22/2003 | M.D. Nalapat

Posted on 06/22/2003 9:30:24 AM PDT by Courier

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This man gets it. Not a Israeli. Not an American. Not a Jew. Why can't the Bush Administration understand the obvious?

The only problems with this man's analysis is that Israel is not the size of India.

When the Arabs assault, and it is inevitable, Israel may be forced to the nuclear option to survive. The sad fact is that it may be too little too late.

Write it down, put it away. It may be you or your children or your grandchildren who take it out remember and weep. If George W Bush creates a Palestinian State he is planting the seeds of a nuclear war.

1 posted on 06/22/2003 9:30:25 AM PDT by Courier
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Please change get to gets in title.
2 posted on 06/22/2003 9:31:42 AM PDT by Courier (Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.)
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Very true, a Palestinian state would be a disaster. The only solution for the US is to back Israel and create a US-Israel-India partnership that would contain the slamofascists.
3 posted on 06/22/2003 9:41:26 AM PDT by Cronos (Mixing Islam with sanity results in serious side effects. Consult your Imam)
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To: Courier
Too bad the administration still believes that we can negotiate with the crazies in pak and that number includes Mush who strikes me as a two-faced watchamacallit. I say a cleanup launched from Afghanistnand India would just about do it.
4 posted on 06/22/2003 9:44:22 AM PDT by Cronos (Mixing Islam with sanity results in serious side effects. Consult your Imam)
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To: Courier
If India was not partitioned, Hindu-dominated India would be tasked with administering what is now Pakistan, including the NWFP where Bin Laden is supposed to be hiding (or was). Imagine the problems India's facing in Kashmir and multiply that by a thousand... the question I like to ask Indians who whine and moan about partition is this: do you want the people that gave birth to the Taliban to have seats in the Indian Parliament?

Partition was a good thing. It was horrific and cruel but it was good in the long-term.. i.e., good for the Hindus of India. Extracting a tumor is better than living with it.

The flaw with the Israel analogy, as you correctly point out, is this: Israel is much much smaller. It may not be able to survive. But the status quo is like India being forced to deal with bin Ladenites not as terrorists, but as elected representatives.

5 posted on 06/22/2003 9:54:43 AM PDT by AM2000
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To: AM2000
Seems like there's a lot of mess caused by slamofascists in the Indian subcontinent and if we're not careful it could happen HERE as well
6 posted on 06/22/2003 9:57:42 AM PDT by Cronos (Mixing Islam with sanity results in serious side effects. Consult your Imam)
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If George W Bush creates a Palestinian State he is planting the seeds of a nuclear war.

If George Bush doesn't create a Palestinian State, a nuclear war is just as inevitable --- more so in fact. And the security of the people of the United States is put at higher risk because of its association with the occupiers (Sharon's word) of the West Bank.

In short, the American people can no longer be expected to pay for the unfortunate circumstance that Israel is surrounded by 250 million backward people steeped in hatred, because, as 911 showed, the price is now our lives. As long as the occupation continues, Americans, as well as Israelis, are at risk.

Something big has got to change --- and that big thing is the creation of a Palestinian State. Why? Because it takes the heat off us baby, and that's what George Bush constitutional duty requires him to do, i.e., protect the American people.

If, after the new state is created, Palestinians break the treaty and attack Israel, there is at least a chance that world opinion will finally swing against Palestine, and some possibility may then arise for transport of hostile Arabs out of the region. It's a long shot, but it's the only shot Israel has. The status quo is an intolerable indulgence which the United States and the world can no longer afford.

If the treaty is not signed within the next five years, the United States is going to walk away from its longtime ally, and shortly thereafter, the State of Israel will be no more.

For our part, in the near term, we should commit American troops to hard fighting in the region if necessary, and take out or cripple Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad. We should continue to put the squeeze on Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Iran through our military presence in the Iraq, Qatar, Kuwait and Afghanistan. We should do everything we possibly can to make the State of Israel secure alongside its new neighbor, to include committing American troops to a buffer zone for an extended period of years.

But a real treaty has got to be signed on the bottom line --- and soon. This cannot go on for another fifty years.

7 posted on 06/22/2003 10:17:26 AM PDT by beckett
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re: If, after the new state is created, Palestinians break the treaty and attack Israel, there is at least a chance that world opinion will finally swing against Palestine)))

There is not one infinitesimal chance. Not one.

However, lots of good liberals will go watch "Piano" and get tears in their eyes and pity in their hearts for the poor Jew in the movie.

8 posted on 06/22/2003 10:25:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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But a real treaty has got to be signed on the bottom line --- and soon. This cannot go on for another fifty years.

Well said.

9 posted on 06/22/2003 10:28:19 AM PDT by AM2000
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They must not allow Israel's borders to be militarily indefensible nor welcome the creation of a state whose people find their identity solely in the quest for Israel's destruction.

The writer is director of the School of Geopolitics, the Manipal Academy of Higher Education, India.

10 posted on 06/22/2003 10:46:18 AM PDT by yonif
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To: beckett
In other words,

Who will rid us of this meddlesome Jewish Nation?
11 posted on 06/22/2003 11:26:09 AM PDT by Courier (Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.)
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To: Courier
Nice piece. So's this by Pakistani expat, Tashbih Sayyed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921013/posts

The State of Terror!

Any plan that helps to create a terror state cannot be termed a peace plan. The Quartet's Road Map for peace, if implemented "as one package ... and without any changes" will not only ensure the destruction of Israel but will also sow the seeds of an eternal terror. Let's see how.

12 posted on 06/22/2003 11:27:26 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: AM2000
Partition was a good thing.

Oye Vey!

A beautiful thing that brought into creation the warped, perverted Islamic entity!

THose people who join the Taliban now, the Pashtuns of what became Pakistan and the border areas of Afghanistan were led by a great leader called Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, aka the Frontier Gandhi.

He felt personally betrayed when the Indian Congress Party of Nehru agreed to the British and Jinnah led partition of India.

Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, leader of the Pashtuns, was a follower of Gandhi, agreed with him and wanted the Pashtuns integrated into a greater India. He mistrusted Jinnah, considered him a egotistical opportunist who would sell his mother for his dreams of power. Khan was right.

Imagine if such a leader had led the Pashtuns.

Your analysis is rather limited and shortsighted as to what would an India be if it did not have to deal with Pakistan for half a century.

I don't how anyone can look upon the current conditions on the subcontinent as a result of the Partition and proclaim it a good thing.

For example u cite the problems of Kashmir; without Pakistan how can you say that the situation would be the way it is today.

14 posted on 06/22/2003 11:36:34 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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Imagine if such a leader had led the Pashtuns.

Sure, but for how long? Notice what happened in Bangladesh... they started off well, with a tolerant, secular Muslim named Mujibur aka Banga-bandhu at the helm. It took no more than one generation for the rabid-Islamists to take over & well, the rest is history.

I have an instrinsic distrust for large Islamic populations within non-Islamic, secular societies. I'd rather they not be there. Sure, the occasional Frontier Gandhi and Bangabandhu may show up, but by and large they tend to be a problem, in my opinion. But that's just me, and I expect you disagree.

15 posted on 06/22/2003 11:48:11 AM PDT by AM2000
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To: Courier
Ditto.
16 posted on 06/22/2003 1:24:04 PM PDT by Carthago delenda est (Carthage must be destroyed. Hillary must be stopped.)
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Good point
17 posted on 06/22/2003 1:45:57 PM PDT by realr
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To: beckett
You obviously only care about the agenda of your leader and will defend him to the death.
18 posted on 06/22/2003 1:49:40 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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You said: "India has retained secular and democtratic nature, becase Jihadi moslems are always in minority and would not be able to gain power in secular democtratic setup."

Did it ever occur to you that Jihadi muslems are in the minority in India precisely because of Partition? What does it take to gain power in a secular democracy? Critical mass, in either money or population. The Muslims of contemporary India have neither. They are for the most part impoverished, and scattered across India. There are pockets, e.g. in parts of Kerala and Hyderabad and eastern UP, but nothing large enough to create a political bloc of its own. Had Partition not taken place, the "Indian" states of Sindh, Baluchistan, NWFP, etc would have almost certainly put Muslims into Parliament. And I certainly don't believe these "Indian" Muslims would be immune to the worldwide rise of hardcore Islamism that began during the Cold War years.

As for the "Indian" provinces of Bengal and Punjab, they would be chaotic at best, violence-torn at worst. I'm sure you're aware of the riots in Calcutta/Noakhali and those in Punjab during Partition. They were animalistic and barbaric, and if nothing else they ought to tell you that Hindu-Muslim hatred was a very real thing, and not something the colonialists conjured up "to keep India down". I realize thats the Indian secularist fantasy du jour but unfortunately the facts belie it. Islam does not coexist well with others, especially not when it reaches a certain critical mass. It had reached that in what is today Pakistan, and the provinces of Bengal & Punjab. Partition was necessary. Think of it like removing a cancerous tumor from the body.

20 posted on 06/22/2003 2:17:24 PM PDT by AM2000
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