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Mourning the loss of Little League chatter
SportsLine.com ^ | June 21, 2003 | Scott Miller

Posted on 06/21/2003 7:12:29 PM PDT by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

School is out, summer is here and somewhere nearby, there's a Dairy Queen just waiting to make you a Blizzard.

So c'mon, let's look ALIVE out there!

Hey batter, batter, batter! Hey batter, batter, batter! Swing, batter!

It's been hours since you were forced to sit up straight in Mrs. Freeman's class. Mrs. Opferman hasn't scolded you in days. Mean old Sister Noelita has put her ruler away for the summer, and we've got baseball games to play.

So c'mon, let's hear some chatter!

Pitcher's got a rubber arm! Pitcher's got a rubber arm!

Remember those days? The days before everybody had uniforms, when you simply played shortstop wearing torn blue jeans and a chocolate-stained face? And your team considered itself lucky if the coach could scrounge up a sponsor to at least pop for matching T-shirts? Back then, your glove probably spent most of its time hanging from your bicycle handlebar, and your lungs probably ached from so much chatter.

You know, the good, old-fashioned chatter that made the other guy feel as if he was standing stark naked on some Roman Colisseum mound surrounded by 100,000 screaming lunatics and 50,000 rabid lions.

The kind that, sadly, seems to have gone the way of the '74 AMC Gremlin and John Lennon.

"I don't think they do it as much," said Lance Van Auken, director of communications for Little League Baseball, Inc. "Maybe it's one of those things that's gone by the boards.

"I'm trying to remember the last Little League World Series team that did it in unison."

I called Van Auken this week because, while reminiscing with some major leaguers at the ballpark recently about the days of chatter and cartoons, I heard a disturbing rumor.

A friend of mine coaches a Little League team, and not only did he say nobody chatters anymore, it was his understanding that it is against Little League's sportsmanship rules.

Now I can appreciate sportsmanship as much as the next guy, but let me tell you something. If today's pervasive political correctness has suffocated society so thoroughly as to turn "Hey batter, batter" into a cause for those who are afraid that little Johnny is going to suffer permanent emotional damage, then it might be time to check out right now.

Thankfully, Van Auken quickly dispelled that rumor.

"No, there's no truth to that," Van Auken said. "Managers and coaches still encourage it. We teach our umpires to make sure that it's not directed at a person's individual characteristics -- in other words, directed at the way somebody looks."

I can buy that. "Hey fat batter, fat batter, fat batter, swing!" isn't cool. Besides, it's unwieldy, in chatter form.

I know there are thousands of youth leagues across the country who don't fall under the Little League umbrella, and goodness knows how many different rules there are covering sportsmanship, playing time and postgame orange slices. So I conducted a highly unscientific poll, checking with various friends who either coach or have kids playing, and they all reported no rules against chatter -- but not much interest from the kids in chattering, either.

Seems major leaguers aren't the only ones who have clammed up over the years. Seems somewhere along the way, as we've become more and more sophisticated ourselves, that sophistication also has begun gripping kids at younger and younger ages.

"Ooooh, I've gotta go back to probably 8 or 9," Anaheim shortstop David Eckstein said, reminiscing about the last time he chattered. "I did used to talk all the time, even up to Triple-A -- stuff like, 'C'mon, let's go!'"

But even having graduated from "Hey batter, batter!" to a more mature "C'mon, let's go!", Eckstein eventually let it go.

"You get people looking at you stupid, like 'What are you doing?'" Eckstein said.

Nobody, of course, expects chatter from big leaguers. At least, not unless the time is right.

"Unless we were mocking Ferris Bueller's Day Off," Baltimore veteran Jeff Conine said. "That might have happened during spring training.

"But even now in Little League, it might not be as prevalent as back when I played. Things have changed."

And you know what?

Though we eventually grow blasé about most things, the years chipping away at our enthusiasm and the bills forcing us to keep our seriousness, there are a lot of us out there who miss those days of chatter and Kool-Aid.

"Absolutely," Conine said, enthusiasm mounting. "Snack tickets after the game, parents yelling and screaming, pool parties. There's something kind of lost when you're on TV everyday.

"It's still fun, though. The game doesn't change. That's the beautiful thing about it. Little League baseball is the same as big league baseball. It's just a smaller field."

I forgot to ask Van Auken about whether another favorite old bit of chatter might be frowned on by Little League, a bit of chatter we once used in Michigan that loosely went to the tune of "Camptown Races":

"Who's that clown on pitcher's mound? Bozo! Bozo!

I didn't figure there was any sense pushing it. Besides, I have a feeling that one might be outlawed under the "personal characteristics" rule.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: baseball; littleleague; pc; sportsmanship; trashtalk

1 posted on 06/21/2003 7:12:29 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Thanks for posting this... this sure brought back memories!

Hubba hubba hubba... ding ding ding... pitcher's got an arm like a washing machine

2 posted on 06/21/2003 7:18:32 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Free Miguel and Priscilla!)
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To: Willie Green
nice article
3 posted on 06/21/2003 7:22:16 PM PDT by fnord ( Hyprocisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue)
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To: Willie Green
It's been ten or twelve years since my oldest son was in Little League. That was back in the day when all the parents carried a video camera and taped each game in it's entirity. Kinda put a damper on the chatter.

It was hilarious to watch a dozen or so parents scrambling around the field with the HUGE old VHS machines powered by over the shoulder battery packs!

I was the envy with my 8mm format Sony Handicam!

In any case what has helped kill LL at least in my community is that we start it in FEBRUARY for dangs sakes! The first games are in MARCH and it's usually COLD...maybe even SNOW on the ground. The only chatter yunz gunna hear is from teeth and knees n'at!

prisoner6

4 posted on 06/21/2003 7:27:06 PM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Willie Green
Thanks, Willie.

"Hey, pitcher's a rag arm"

"Throw it and duck, pitch"

The good old days.
5 posted on 06/21/2003 7:33:00 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Willie Green
I always rejected the chatter crap, both when I played, and when I coached various youth sports, including baseball, soccer, and ice hockey. The reason I did this is simple: it distracts the player who is chattering, gives the chatteree incentive to perform well, and in short makes the chatterer look like a fool.

As proof I'd point out New York Giant's receiver Jeremy Shockey. Here's a guy so talented that he could let his efforts on the field speak for his talent, but no, he has to trash talk after every reception. No class.

That's what we coaches should be teaching, class. Let your glove or your stick or your hands do the talking; act like you've scored before....

6 posted on 06/21/2003 8:24:14 PM PDT by yooper
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To: yooper
As proof I'd point out New York Giant's receiver Jeremy Shockey. Here's a guy so talented that he could let his efforts on the field speak for his talent, but no, he has to trash talk after every reception. No class.

Have you ever met Shockey? I have. Really nice, soft spoken young guy. Extremely classy.
7 posted on 06/21/2003 8:33:37 PM PDT by motzman (the only good bear is a Newark Bear)
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To: yooper
I agree with you. That chatter-stuff just sounded stupid to me. Another thing I didn't like was loudly praising your teammates for a good play during the game. It makes it look like your great plays aren't routine and just happen all the time so it's no big deal.
8 posted on 06/22/2003 9:27:18 AM PDT by Flashlight
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To: So Cal Rocket
Or...

Cheer, cheer, cheer...pitcher's full of beer.
That's not all...he's full of alcohol.
Pitcher's arm is getting sore, he no wanna pitch no more.
Open up the shower door, he'll be home at half past four.

9 posted on 06/22/2003 10:33:56 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
OR...

One, two, three, four
pitcher's momma is a whore...

10 posted on 06/22/2003 10:42:46 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Willie Green
Went to a Little League game in which my friend's son was playing.

A close play at the plate, the ump called the kid safe, he was out by a mile. I yelled, "Hey Ump! You Blind? He was out by a mile!" At no time did I use any obscenities.

Gee, if looks could kill, everybody in the stands would have struck me dead. My friend's wife said that type of stuff is frowned upon.

Needless to say, I have not been back to a little league game again. Political Correctness killed little league baseball for me.
11 posted on 06/22/2003 12:33:54 PM PDT by hattend
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To: hattend
You shouldn't have berated the umpire.
He was just doing his job.
He knew the kid was out, but was required to call him safe anyway.
EVERYBODY gets a chance to score, that's how they game is played nowadays.
It helps boost the little tykes' self-esteem.
12 posted on 06/22/2003 12:43:23 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: yooper
"I always rejected the chatter crap, both when I played, and when I coached various youth sports, including baseball, soccer, and ice hockey. The reason I did this is simple: it distracts the player who is chattering, gives the chatteree incentive to perform well, and in short makes the chatterer look like a fool."

Agreed.
13 posted on 06/22/2003 1:06:44 PM PDT by Those_Crazy_Liberals (Ronaldus Magnus he's our man . . . If he can't do it, no one can.)
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