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To: Mamzelle
As I said, I was writing to inform on intimate partner violence, not to rescue Ms. Roush. The original story and thread are/were about Sarah Saga, who is definitely not to blame for her abuse. Personally, I don't believe Ms. Roush is either, and wonder why you are.


The very web page ("Pat's Story") you sent me to has criticism of Clinton, Feinstein, and Boxer as well as Reagan and the first Mr. Bush and was written in 1998.

"""My heart went out to her," says Wildes, who has two daughters himself. "Nothing to me would be worse than to have held my daughters as babies and not be able to hold them as they grow older.

"Our government has given up on her plight. The American government cares more about its oil and its military agenda than its daughters. A phone call from President Clinton to King Faud would have those girls on a plane in one day. He won't do it. He and Bush and Reagan turned it over to their staffs, who do nothing but give it the runaround, writing letters, putting up a faÊade instead of going to the Saudi government and working out an arrangement so the girls could spend equal time here and there."

It also gives examples of the way women are convinced to go along to get along,

"" To the diplomatic world, accustomed to linguistic niceties and composed deference, Roush inevitably can seem strident, overbearing. Indeed, Saudi officials demonstrate some disdain toward her, privately critical of what they consider her impertinence and impatience. Startlingly, they believe Roush should placate her husband, be more conciliatory.

"She has a thousand warrants for her husband's arrest out all over the world and then she wants him to be flexible," says a high-ranking Saudi official. "Put yourself in his shoes. ... If you found out that your husband is going around slamdunking you all over the world, making you out to be a criminal, a monster, would you be in any mood to be accommodating? "What if Mrs. Roush were for a change to be more accommodating, if she were to drop some of these warrants, be more flexible, be just a little bit more civilized about the whole thing, then what's the likelihood that the husband would be responsive?" The words gall Roush. Irretrievable years stolen from her, she's not willing to passively wait for a dubious reunion. "The situation has become a bit of a joke to the Saudis," she says in uncontained outrage. "They think "Your government isn't going to help you, won't back you up, why should we?' It shouldn't be that I'm a nuisance to my government, asking them to help me ..." ""

151 posted on 06/22/2003 2:37:47 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: hocndoc
re: who is definitely not to blame for her abuse. Personally, I don't believe Ms. Roush is either, and wonder why you are. )))

Me? Now I'm to blame for Roush's abuse? Heavens, it's 1986 all over again! Lemme outta here.

155 posted on 06/22/2003 2:45:35 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: hocndoc
I read thru some of Pat Roush's web site - seems she criticizes those who won't help, and compliment those who will. Nice things said about Burton, who is hardly a Clintoon supporter.

I'm a big Bush supporter over-all, but I don't like coddling the Saudis. I believe he OUGHT to contact the Saudis on this personally. And if they won't budge, then maybe we could 'wink' at a 'private' organization that 'kidnaps' Americans out of Saudi. The Law is a tool. In the hands of good men, it is a force for good. In the hands of a Hitler or the Saudis, it is a force for evil.
156 posted on 06/22/2003 3:00:30 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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