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To: FITZ
Is Sarah a Saudi citizen and are her children Saudi citizens?

Look FITZ, with all due respect, if you are asking this question, this deep into this thread, after all of your previous posts spouting your opinion and various "facts" about what is and should be done in this and all other cases of American women marrying foreigners... You are wasting everyone's time who is trying to discuss this particular story rationally.

You don't have all the facts in this case, let alone some of the most important ones. You obviously didn't read this news article or any of the articles prior to it. You obviously didn't read the thread, which answers this exact question and many others. Yet you have fixed opinions about how American women should be left to rot in other countries due to their own ignorance.

I was going to respond to SEVERAL of your previous posts to try to impart some reason in your way of thinking. But I read the entire thread before doing so, and after reading this post of yours, it is abundantly clear that your typing fingers got ahead of your brain. PLEASE, do everyone a favor, and read the article AND the thread, before posting generalized or irrelevant comments.

This thread is about ONE AMERICAN CITIZEN who was KIDNAPPED to Saudi Arabia, forced to marry a Saudi, forced to bear children to a Saudi, and her two children, who have dual citizenship. It is not about Mexican citizens, Iranians, Greeks, or anyone else. None of those cases are applicable to this case. And it is callous to say that Sara should be ignored because Sara's mother married a Saudi and Sara's mother should have known better. For one thing, Sara shouldn't have to pay for her mother's mistake. You can post generalities all you want, but they are not relevant to this thread.

Now let me address your specific post to me, in which you stated:

what can our government do, what SHOULD it do when women insist on marrying someone,

Sara didn't INSIST on marrying anyone. Sara was kidnapped from the US at the age of 5 or 6, and kept locked in a room in Saudi Arabia for 2 years... at the age of 18, she was forced into an arranged marriage to a Saudi.

knowing full well ahead of time that if the marriage doesn't work there will be custody issues.

Irrelevant in this case. BUT, what are you saying, that women should go into all marriages planning for their failure? What about "until death do us part, for better or for worse"?? Furthermore, what makes you think they know "full well ahead of time" that there will be custody issues? People CHANGE. Or are you too ignorant to realize that??

These foolish women give up their own religion,

Again with the generalizations - NOT TRUE OR RELEVANT HERE.

they agree to raise Islamic children,

NOT TRUE OR RELEVANT HERE.

they know that the Middle Easterners view women as property?

NOT TRUE OR RELEVANT HERE. But hello FITZ, obviously they don't intentionally marry into slavery! CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE MARRIAGE CHANGE over time, and they find themselves in a slavery/hostage situation and they need to find a way to get out of it. And because they are American citizens, we should be able to help them get out of it.

Can our government force these morons not to marry?

NOT TRUE OR RELEVANT HERE. But you are completely IGNORANT to call them morons. You claim that "they" (the women) know that Middle Easterners view women as property... yet YOU don't know that when an American woman falls in love with a Middle Easterner, it is generally when he is HERE, and he has adopted American ways and customs. The woman falls in love with someone based on who he is HERE. How is she to know that he will become Mr. Hyde after they are married - whether or not they stay in America??

But it's supposed to intervene when the marriage doesn't work and the woman wants saving?

YES, when an AMERICAN CITIZEN is being held against her will in a foreign country, she is being held CAPTIVE, and YES, the American Government should try to get her out!!

Why is this so hard for YOU to comprehend? Why? Because it is regarding a WOMAN, that is why. If these roles were reversed - if there was a country where Women held the kind of power that Men do in Saudi Arabia, and if an American MAN was being held against his will, you would undoubtedly be singing a different tune.

As I said on an earlier thread, our Military personnel signed up to go to war in Iraq. A few of them were captured and became POWs. Did you say our Govt shouldn't do anything to get them out because they knew what they signed up for when they joined the military? Did you say it doesn't matter what OUR laws are, they are in a war, and they are subject to the laws of the Iraqi captors, so we should let them rot because they were morons for joining the military in the first place?

Please explain to me how it is any different if an American Woman marries a foreigner HERE IN AMERICA, UNDER AMERICAN LAWS and AMERICAN CUSTOMS, and then later finds her children being kidnapped, and/or herself being held captive in a foreign land against her will?

In the case of the woman of the Sally Fields movie "Not Without My Daughter", which is a TRUE STORY, they had lived here in the US for TWELVE YEARS and had a daughter HERE, and he was a respected Doctor HERE before he took his family home on the guise of it being a visit to family. After they were in his country, he took their passports and their money and their clothes, and he had them watched and followed 24/7 so they could not escape. But in your view, that woman was a MORON for marrying him in the first place, so she deserved everything she got, and the Govt shouldn't have done a darn thing to help her, right?

135 posted on 06/21/2003 1:06:34 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: BagCamAddict
You didn't answer my question ---did Sarah get Saudi citizenship? Does having a Saudi father make her a Saudi just as much as she is an American? Yes ---I believe her mother should have checked into all this before marrying. Marriage is not a joke, not something to be taken lightly ---especially when dealing with another country's laws.
140 posted on 06/21/2003 6:09:25 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: BagCamAddict
And I did read the thread ---at least much of it:

"Sara's mom married a Saudi. When they divorced, she visited her dad in Saudi Arabia. One visit, he simply stopped her from leaving, forcibly converted her to Islam, and married her off, where her children came from. Now that she is a Saudi wife, she has no rights to speak of and is not considered an American citizen by that country any longer." From an earlier post -----this makes it seem that according to Saudi law, the father gets custody, his children are Saudi citizens. That would make her just as much a Saudi as she is an American. According to Saudi law, she probably isn't even considered to be an American ---which they would consider her if she had two American parents.
142 posted on 06/21/2003 6:20:11 PM PDT by FITZ
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