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To: DPB101
The Rosenberg's were guilty as hell. If David Greenglass hadn't been acting as the conduit as well, the Soviets wouldn't have been able to build a "chinese copy" of the Fat Man design for years after '49. Their being Jewish had, IMHO little or nothing to do with espionage. Religion has NOTHING to do with their crimes. When the Venona documents were made public, and the archives of the Soviet Union were made public, which is one hell of a lot more openness than the US Government has shown about the whole deal, one sees plainly that they did, indeed act as couriers in the spy biz.

Sure, there are a lot of other actors in this game who are still breathing air who shouldn't be, but at least two aren't.

FYI, I'm 56, not over 65 like some earlier posters have stated was the cutoff age for knowing about this BS, and still know the names, and darn well know traitors when I hear about them. Having somewhat personal experience with the stuff they gave away, and holding the appropriate clearances to gain said experience, the thought of what they did sickens me to the core. I feel proud to having been investigated and deemed worthy of being able to work with such sensitive material, and hold no shame at having done so.

I, of course, like others my age, grew up in the shadow of the "duck and cover" era, and thought that Armageddon was only seconds away. Frankly, I dispise Communism, Communists, Leftists, and all the other scum who would disclose vital information to hostile or any other powers, for that matter, just for what they feel was "right". I realize that my tagline is from a Russian manual on the Nagant Revolver, but I simply happen to think that the line is both funny, and pertinent, regardless of who wrote it.

There are those who despise nuclear technology, and nuclear weapons, but those who had the foresight and genius to build the first one are extremely special. They were venturing into an extremely strange land, where the rules were not at all clear, and some paid the extreme penalty for the exploration. Their work, and the work of the Physicists Engineers, and Technicians who followed, maintained a peace for 50+ years which, if we had not followed the nuclear path, would surely have gone well toward destroying the world as we know it. IMHO, I consider a nuke/thermonuke like any other weapon, neither good nor bad, but only a tool, the good or evil of which is defined by the actions of those who employ it.

I only wish Greenglass and Fuchs had been turned into a couple of 1/4 watt resistors plugged into 2,300VAC like the Rosenbergs. I feel no sympathy, nor emotion, and whatever Greenglass says, or doesn't say, doesn't change the fact that he, and the others with him, were traitors to our great Republic, and like all traitors, should have been sentenced to death, the same as the Rosenbergs. Again, I emphasise that religion has 0.000 to do with the penalties or any explanations. To bring religion up is nothing but a smoke and mirror game. They could have been Protestant, Catholic, Buddhist, Moslem, Agnostic, or Atheist for that matter (If I have left any religions/non regilions out, please include them here, as it was not intentional on my part) A traitor is a traitor and should be treated as such. The penalty for treason is death, and should still be enforced as such.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

Greg

56 posted on 06/19/2003 7:51:13 PM PDT by gwmoore (As the Russian manual for the Nagant Revolver states: "Target Practice: "at the deserter, FIRE")
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To: gwmoore
i thought the technical information they passed on was crude drawings by a non-scientist.
59 posted on 06/19/2003 7:57:18 PM PDT by Emma
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To: gwmoore
I only wish Greenglass and Fuchs had been turned into a couple of 1/4 watt resistors plugged into 2,300VAC like the Rosenbergs.

Ted Hall too. I also think maybe the Brits wish they could have gotten their hands on Kim Philby too.

63 posted on 06/19/2003 8:07:37 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: gwmoore
I'm 56, not over 65 like some earlier posters have stated was the cutoff age for knowing about this BS, and still know the names, and darn well know traitors when I hear about them.

I came along a few years after you and I remember it as well. My parents were a now extinct species: anti-communist Democrats. Remember telling my parents when I was in the 4th or 5th grade that they saw communists under every bed. I got that line from my teachers who were telling us the Soviets were not a threat and both systems were moving toward the center where they would be the same.

As Louis Farrahkan would say, "it is time for atonement". The left has a lot to atone for. Trying to turn kids against their parents for one.

69 posted on 06/19/2003 8:24:30 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: gwmoore
Thank you for your service and the post.
76 posted on 06/19/2003 8:32:00 PM PDT by MEG33
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