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Maj. Gen. Odierno Videoteleconference from Baghdad [4th ID ~ Our troops rock!]
DoD ^ | June 18, 2003 | Maj. Gen. Ray Odierno

Posted on 06/19/2003 3:14:54 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

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"You've just risked your lives in combat in a tremendous victory that freed a nation from 30 years of oppression under a sadistic monster, you make great progress daily - bringing in the bad guys, stabilizing Iraq - and what are we going to do now? Claim the de-Ba'athified protestors are "regular" Iraqis, hype each casualty while minimizing your successes, ignore the primary news sources on the war - CENTCOM and DoD - while relying on unreliable sources and unverified facts, criticize the CIC for thanking the troops aboard the USS Lincoln, call him a liar and hold hearings on Capitol Hill questioning the legitimacy of the war...while we give the "ticker-tape parade" treatment to Bill and Hillary ("I loathe the military") Clinton." Your inferiors, the American mainstream newsmedia.
1 posted on 06/19/2003 3:14:56 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for posting this!
2 posted on 06/19/2003 3:19:53 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I appreciate this post, Thank you. I noticed two statements in particular.
 
 
The bottom line is that all services are equal to or better than what was here prior to the regime being removed.
 
This is a very bold statement, it is hard to believe.
 
But from a military perspective, it is insignificant. They're having no impact on the way we conduct business on a day-to-day basis in Iraq.
 
This statement I can logically understand. It is too bad that he had to make it. I fault the media and it's insensitiveness to the families of the Troops. 

3 posted on 06/19/2003 3:43:28 PM PDT by Radix
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Excellent report. I can't understand why the media isn't touting our successes more. It sounds like we're really making progress and really making life better for the Iraqis.

I'm really impressed that we're educating the people on democracy and I'm impressed that they want to learn so much. This is wonderful news.

4 posted on 06/19/2003 4:07:19 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: annyokie
You're very welcome.

We need the embeds back, or at least Col. North...a man who knows the value of those men and women who volunteer to defend our freedom.


Related:
 
Jesse’s War Plan [MO of the press-NGOs in Iraq today] (We put the myth out there that America was in chaos. America was not in chaos.." 60s activist)

Hillary Clinton Attacks Bush, U.S. Intelligence Services in Overseas Interview ^ (where's the mainstream press when Hillary sells out America?)
 
NEWS ALERT! Saddam is NEVER coming back!


5 posted on 06/19/2003 4:38:36 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Our troops risked their lives to free a nation and the press PARADES the anti-heroes the CLINTONS?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; All
Did everybody see Rummy today - somebody questioned him about the continued American deaths in Iraq - he told them there are more deaths in Washington D.C. on a daily basis!!

Gotta love Sec. Rumsfeld - he knows how to tell it straight!!
6 posted on 06/19/2003 5:15:13 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: Radix

It's true about the services being above pre-war level overall. Our guys have been working steadily across Iraq - with the help of the Iraqi people - for two months now.

The Coalition has been doing awesome work. The press basically ignored the detailed daily CENTCOM reports. The press doesn't ask about the Coalition successes at press conferences, and they seldom inform America or the world about how welcomed the Coalition troops are by the VAST majority of Iraqis.

SOD Rumsfeld explains it well at this May 9 press briefing with Gen. Franks:

Q...And some U.S. officials are quoted as saying that U.S. planning and execution of the postwar reconstruction were inadequate. Do you think that any mistakes were made in this area? And what is your assessment of the current state of the reconstruction effort?

Rumsfeld: Who are the officials?

Q: They're unnamed.

Rumsfeld: Ah. (Laughter.) That's nice. (Laughter.) What you're seeing in the press and on television are slices of truth. You're seeing that someone is harmed, or in a particular location the water isn't back on, or in a different location the power is only intermittent, or is in 80 or 90 percent of the city and not 100 percent of the city. All of that's true. A good deal of it, of course, was also true prior to the war. And it seems to me it's important to have that in mind.

We keep tracks, where we look each day at the major cities -- I don't now how many, 20?

Franks: Twenty-seven.

Rumsfeld: Twenty-seven cities, and track them and see how they're doing with respect to security, how they're doing with respect to water, how they're doing with respect to power and what have you. And each day it gets better. We use red for a situation that is worse than the beginning of the conflict, and green when it is better -- the same as prior to the conflict, and blue when it's better than -- the situation for the people of the country is better than it was at the beginning of the conflict, and a white for not observed. The white has pretty well disappeared now.

Franks: It has, yes, sir.

Rumsfeld: And now we are able to observe and have some sense in every portion of those 27 cities, every portion of the country.

The reds have disappeared as of this morning. There are very few blues, but there are some blues. And there are amber, or yellow, for --

Franks: -- getting better --

Rumsfeld: Getting better but not up to the green level. This is a reflection of the seriousness of purpose of General Franks and his team. And as he said in his remarks, things are, in fact, getting better every day in that country. That does not mean that people cannot continue to write articles or see television clips of something that isn't perfect, or isn't as good as it was, or isn't better than it was. That is probably also true if one looks around any city in the United States or Western Europe, that things are -- we find things are not perfect. You'll see slices of truth that suggest that there are problems.

My impression of what's taking place is that the folks in General Franks' organization and in General Garner's organization have done an outstanding job and are continuing to make things better in almost every corner of that country, every week and every month, and that's a good thing.

The other thing I'd do, just to put a little perspective on it, is it's been 51 days since the war started. I mean, ask ourselves, each of us, what have we accomplished in 51 days? No, that's embarrassing, I shouldn't do that to you! (Laughs.) That would be wrong. (Laughter.) But 51 days is not very long. And I think that the reality is that it is a very difficult transition from despotism and repression to a freer system. It's untidy, it is -- it is -- there will be fits and starts, and a couple of steps forward and a step back. There'll be bumps along the way.

And it strikes me that what it requires is for people to be realistic; to look at other countries that have made that transition and ask how was that done, how long did it take, how difficult was it, how untidy was it? And recognize that this country does not have a history of representative or democratic systems; it's going to take some time and it's going to take some patience. And we accept that, and we're there to create an environment where that process can take place. And we have patience, and we accept the fact that it's untidy. And I hope that others can recognize that and accept it and put it into some historical context.


7 posted on 06/19/2003 5:19:37 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Our troops risked their lives to free a nation and the press PARADES the anti-heroes the CLINTONS?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
You rock, RC!

I just love your skewering of the media. They are a disgusting lot (you know who I mean--most, but not all). I miss the embedded reporters, too.

I'd like to see Dr. Bob back there. He really got around and was charmed with the Iraqis and outraged at the previous regime.
8 posted on 06/19/2003 5:27:05 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: McGavin999
I can't understand why the media isn't touting our successes more.

Check my comments at #5 - "Jesse's War" link. The Iraqi war de-bunked decades of anti-American leftist lies...and the Coalition took down one of their own:

"In terms of what kind of economic system they wish to establish, as you point out, the Ba'athist Party was a socialist party. I think it's very hard to imagine any strong support in this country for a return to that economic system, which has left the country really flat on its back, and which does not really provide a model for getting the kind of vibrant private sector which I think most Iraqis now realize is a sine qua non for a stable economy and stable economic growth. So if they choose socialism, that will be their business. My guess is that's not going to happen." ~ Amb. Paul Bremer: Briefing on Coalition Post-war Reconstruction and Stabilization Efforts, June 12, 2003


9 posted on 06/19/2003 5:43:46 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Our troops risked their lives to free a nation and the press PARADES the anti-heroes the CLINTONS?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The bottom line is that all services are equal to or better than what was here prior to the regime being removed.

Gee... now that I think about it, there WAS a lot of pre-war bitching and moaning about how bad conditions were in Iraq, and thus the necessity of lifting sanctions. I guess that must have been a lie.

Or not. Maybe conditions were worse before the war, and then got better, but then became worse; or they were better before, and THEN became worse, but got better again.

Well, whatever the case, it may or may not have been paradise before, but make no mistake: it is the United States' fault for it being worse (or not worse).

10 posted on 06/19/2003 5:50:42 PM PDT by niteowl77 (Pray for our troops!)
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To: cyncooper
Thanks, Sweetie. CENTCOM briefings (and this awesome military) followed by press reports - what an eye-opener! Facts matter.

Gen. John Abizaid is getting his 4th star and taking Gen. Franks place as head of CENTCOM (when confirmed by the Senate). (^:

11 posted on 06/19/2003 6:05:49 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Our troops risked their lives to free a nation and the press PARADES the anti-heroes the CLINTONS?)
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To: happygrl; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; ALOHA RONNIE; MoJo2001; null and void
You might be interested in this awesome report re. the 4th ID in Iraq.

Brit Hume's wiser and more generous take on his press peers:

The American Media in Wartime
Speech delivered at a Hillsdale College seminar in Dearborn, MI ^| Apr. 28, 2003 | Brit Hume

12 posted on 06/19/2003 7:58:57 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Lion Den Dan
And then there are just some plain Iraqis who are poor and are being paid to attack U.S. forces.

Sounds like the methods of the mafia.

Interesting interview. The general has to sugar-coat his words for public consumption.

13 posted on 06/19/2003 8:10:18 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: The Great Satan; aristeides; Shermy; Uncle Bill; Nita Nupress; thinden
I think there's two things related to that. We have to make sure that people understand that coalition forces are going to be here until we have a safe and secure environment, and that the bottom line is Saddam Hussein or his sons will never take control of this country again.

The general's phraseology is interesting. He's speaking in the present tense, as if Saddam is still alive.

14 posted on 06/19/2003 8:13:32 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Dog; hchutch; section9
Awesome post! I am pinging a few people who will be interested in this. Thanks!
15 posted on 06/19/2003 8:16:39 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Ragtime Cowgirl,Thanks my granddaughter Karen is with the 4th,.
16 posted on 06/19/2003 8:35:12 PM PDT by fatima (Few words,more action.)
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To: fatima
You must be so proud. Please thank your grandaughter for her service!
17 posted on 06/20/2003 4:18:32 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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To: Fred Mertz
You can measure this military's honor and trustworthiness against this press. Simply go back and read the daily CENTCOM and DoD briefings and read the same day's press accounts. Then check the facts that came out in the following days and weeks.
 
What the press isn't reporting daily is even more revealing.  Check the CENTCOM logs, listen to the family members of those on the ground in Iraq, the Iraqi people....bloggers in Iraq. 
 
The polls reflect what the people are being told, nothing more. The press is (still) misinforming the world about our efforts in Iraq, our honorable military and America.

Remember when the Palestinians danced in the street on 9-11? The mainstream international press, the EU, the DNC - were not happy for the Iraqi people on April 9th. They excused Saddam and accused America, or they insult our troops, our nation and our allies by giving the bad guys far more credit than they deserve. They still do.

Tales of Saddam's Brutality [lengthy, graphic, White House websight]

using civilians as human shields
military units dressed in civilian clothes
fake surrender ambushes
arming with chemical weapons
systematic rape and torture
execution and (possible) castration of POW's
forcing soldiers to fight under threat of death to their families
placing military targets in hospitals
using ambulances for military transport
suicide bombings
attacking their own population
gassing their own population
cutting off water to their own cities

vs.

possibly bombing a market by accident

Guess which draws more protest from the media, the UN and Amnesty International? Link


If they parroted the NY Times and Iraqi Info Ministry anti-American propaganda  with the embeds in Iraq to counter their lies, imagine what they're doing today?
 
You have to choose who to trust.  
 
Facts are stubborn things...and character does count.

18 posted on 06/20/2003 5:09:39 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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To: Miss Marple
You are very welcome. Bad news may be profitable, and may be the habit of our press, but the 24/7 doom and gloom misinforms the world, insults the troops, and is a threat to our national security during wartime.

Take the "Iraqi resistance" attack on the Fallujah power plant in the news today. Iraqi "resistance"? Iraq isn't a nation protesting our "occupation". The Iraqi people are worried we'll leave before we've taken out the "resistance" - leaving them defenseless against their former torturers, assorted gangsters, despots and terrorist wannabes - the bad guys.

Iraqi "resistance" equals mostly a small % of regime dead-enders without a future located in former Ba'athist Party strongholds - and in small pockets across the nation. They're desperate, because our awesome troops are taking them out and they know they will not find sympathy or cover with their victims - their countrymen.

Iraq resembles the wild west, with frightened townspeople depending on our "sheriffs" to clean up the town and protect them. It in no way resembles Nazi-occupied France - except perhaps to the bad guys.

"Resistance", like "occupation," is an anti-American talking point straight from our enemy's well-worn playbook - Communist, Islamist, socialist and Dems. Our troops, our CIC, the newly freed Iraqi people and the free world deserve better from our press. Rant over.

19 posted on 06/20/2003 6:08:44 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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To: All
Winning After All
by Victor Davis Hanson, June 20, 2003

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...Fourth, for all the doom and gloom we are making amazing progress. If on the evening of September 11th, an outside observer had predicted that the following would transpire in two years, he would have been considered unhinged: Saddam Hussein gone with the wind; democratic birth pangs in Iraq; the Taliban finished and Mr. Karzai attempting to create constitutional government; Yasser Arafat ostracized by the American government and lord of a dilapidated compound; bin Laden either dead or leading a troglodyte existence; all troops slated to leave Saudi Arabia — and by our own volition, not theirs; Iran and Syria apprehensive rather than boastful about their own promotion of terror; and the Middle East worried that the United States is both unpredictable in its righteous anger and masterful in its use of arms, rather than customarily irresolute and reactive.

Finally, do not expect to read headlines like "85% of Baghdad's Power Restored," "Afghan Women Enroll in Schools by the Millions," or "Americans Put an End to Secret Police and Arbitrary Executions in Iraq." It is not the nature of the present generation of our elites — so unlike our own forefathers in postwar Japan or Germany — to express confidence in our culture, much less in the moral nature of our struggle to end the conditions that caused this war.

~~~

20 posted on 06/20/2003 7:04:26 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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