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Europeans Seek to Improve Image in U.S.
The Guardian ^
| June 19, 2003
| ROBERT H. REID
Posted on 06/19/2003 12:56:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: SegerSkriv
`We must sell or market Europe more effectively and expose Americans to our brand of democracy.' i.e.- socialism with "wise bureaucrats" who will magnanimously make the decisions for the rest of us...
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posted on
06/19/2003 2:25:14 PM PDT
by
chilepepper
(Clever argument cannot convince Reality -- Carl Jung)
To: FairOpinion
If they want to bolster their image, they might try doing something to stop the America bashing in their own countries. Until that happens, expect the US to ignore their bleating. We WON'T do business with people who hate us, PERIOD.
They have apparently hated us for a long time, we just didn't know it. Now we do.
To: magslinger; Wolfstar
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posted on
06/19/2003 2:35:51 PM PDT
by
autoresponder
(. . . . SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH . . . THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
To: FairOpinion
the comment "We must sell or market Europe more effectively and expose Americans to our brand of democracy.''
Folks we called your type of democracy Socialism. We spent 50 years fifty communism and lost over a million men fighting the National Socialists in Germany. We don't want what you are selling.
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posted on
06/19/2003 3:06:26 PM PDT
by
q_an_a
To: Malesherbes
Don't forget the hat. If 'twere me, I'd be sporting hat, boots and .44 revolvers. Well, I'd be wearing a .45 and, if at the range, would be getting ready to shoot an "evil assault rifle" (American-made, of course).
Regarding the cowboy "insult," I agree that it is really a complement - but we know that it isn't meant as such. Kind of like when we call them Euroweenies - we mean a small, shriveled up thing even if they think it a complement.
To: Malesherbes
I will never forget being asked in Ireland by the leader of a hiking trip I was on there if we had sheep in the United States!!! And they think we are so very ignorant. Apparently they have absolutely no concept of the vastness of this country and the fact that we have....well, we have SHEEP.
To: q_an_a
"We must sell or market Europe more effectively and expose Americans to our brand of democracy.'' Folks we called your type of democracy Socialism. We spent 50 years fifty communism and lost over a million men fighting the National Socialists in Germany. We don't want what you are selling.
It is very instructive to think about which continent the ancestors of the majority of Americans used to live in, and the fact that they did damned near anything necessary to get the Hell out of there. That's certainly the case with my family.
To: FairOpinion
It is about time to separate, in our deliberations, the Euro political leadership from the people. Many of the people are as frustrated as anyone else with their leadership, but it is very difficult to make changes. We can't say 'the French this,' and 'the Germans that, or 'the Italians the other.' Their political arrangements are more complicated than ours, it's a free-for-all. Just remember that in travelling in parts of the Italian countryside, the tourist's wallet is considered fair game: stay alert.
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posted on
06/19/2003 3:23:47 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(gazing at shadows)
To: FairOpinion
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posted on
06/19/2003 3:25:04 PM PDT
by
thedugal
(Someone ping me when the shootin' starts...)
To: Tai_Chung
The Europeans will fail because they still miss the point. The US relationship is not strained because France and Germany refused to back the war in Iraq. The relationship is strained because France and Germany attacked the integrity of the United States and actively worked to undermine the US war in Iraq and elsewhere. They could not have done more against the US if they had officially been our enemy. I was working up to saying almost precisely this and came across your post. You see the same thing I do. Well said. (does that sound a bit self congratulatory? sorry about that)
If the EU wants to conduct a propaganda campaign, they should forget about the American heartland and start with the European heartland. Europe's anti-Americanism must stop!
This is the crux of the matter. Most European goverments have spent most of the last 40 years telling their people that, though they needed the US to oppose the Russians (maybe) they certainly shouldn't think of the American's as "the good guys." America is the source of evil, only to be tolerated as a counterbalance to some other evil. Now that the Soviet Union is no longer any threat (yeah, right) we are the only thing standing between the enlightened (them) and Utopia.
For hundreds of years the English prospered by making alliance with secondary powers in Europe and playing them off of the major power, at the time, in Europe. When they failed at this wars erupted. It happened at least three big times in the last century. Now they've seemingly abandoned this strategy and Europe is coming together under the clearly questionable leadership of a united France and Germany. Oh goody. The cultures that gave us Napolean's view of a united Europe and Hitler's view of a united Europe (which look remarkably the same) have decided that they want to cooperate and give us a new Republic and Reich combined.
Europe has been the source of much of the torment, as well as much of the enlightenment, in the last 500 years. The EU represents the side of the coin that has brought torment. You can tell that by who their friends and who their enemies are.
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posted on
06/19/2003 4:00:47 PM PDT
by
Phsstpok
To: magslinger
...I'd give the press conference announcing the action from atop a horse or from a firing range.Heh heh. Awesome.
I reckon in about 20-30 years, given the current trend toward the widening ciltural/economic/military gap between we Americans an' them serfs over'n Europe, that they'll be ripe for conquest. Hell, they's already soft an' been bred to the yoke by decades o' socialism already. By that time, France will be under Sharia law, and they'll give us a good excuse to move in and hoist Old Glory from the Eiffel Tower's mast.
Good times...
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posted on
06/19/2003 4:42:44 PM PDT
by
FierceDraka
("I am not a number - I am a FREE MAN!")
To: SegerSkriv
``We must sell or market Europe more effectively and expose Americans to our brand of democracy.''
What brand of democracy?
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READ: "socialism", just as our Democrats are really all socialists at heart.
Europe would love to have Hillary as president to bow to Europe and jointly implement world socialism.
Did you see Hillary's interview with the German Der Spiegel?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/931566/posts Praising her husband's close relationship with European leaders during his period in office, Clinton declared that "for eight years we were on the right course to a globalized and integrated world - which is coming, one way or the other."
To: Malesherbes
Actually "cowboy" is one of the nicer things they called Bush, they have been comparing him to Hitler. But it never occurred to them to compare Saddam to Hitler or Stalin, whom Saddam greatly admires.
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