[palmer]

I respect your religion, but I disagree with your source of morality. Fundamentally, morals come from the human capacity to empathize with other humans, and to some extent animals. Normal humans do not like or want to see other humans suffer, and so are pro-life. Few people are truly evil, but many refuse to see the humanity in unborn children either through ignorance or denial.

[XBob]

So now we know - the penalty for allowing a person to die, stuck in a windshield, is 50 years, with no parole for at least 25 years.

So, by your views, the punnishment for using a contraceptive which prevents implantation (even if in only a small number of cases) should be 50 years.

The penalty for performing an abortion should be 50 years.

The penalty for having an abortion performed should be 50 years.

And the doctors and lab technicians and potential mothers, engaged in fertility treatments, which destroy any 'extra' embryo's, should certainly be 50 years, and that should certainly be for each fertilized egg.

And if a woman takes fertility drugs and gets 9 fertile embryos implanted, she should be forced to carry all of them to term, or be punished - by say 50 years, for the first one and should we give her a break, for mass murder?

And no intervention should be allowed to save the mother's life, in a troubled pregnancy, as the fertilized egg is of the same value as the mother. And nature should be allowed to take it's natural course.

And abortions in case of rape should be strictly outlawed.

Perhaps the penalty for failing to check your menses for a living fertilized egg should be reduced (as you were too lazy to check), to what do you think, 25 years? But the 'persson' you flushed is just as dead, and you knowingly flushed, without checking. So, how about 40 years in jail, with no parole until at least 20 years?

What do youall think - of where your arguments lead?