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To: exmarine
802 - "What is the source of right and wrong? You have two choices - man or God. Take your pick."

BS - according to you - you keep denying me a choice, except your beliefs, not mine.

So you assume there is a god, and in addition, a god who exists as you percieve him.

According to you, through hundreds of posts here, I have no choice, except what you believe.

And at this point, I believe that god was created by man, out of a need for a father, and a need for an explanation for things that at this point we have no explaination for.

Go back a few hundred years, and your ancestors believed that diseases were caused by god, not by microscopic organisms. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. It makes it true that you believe it though.
808 posted on 06/27/2003 4:14:35 AM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
According to you, through hundreds of posts here, I have no choice, except what you believe.

Name another possible source for morals other than God or man. You can't do it - there are no other possibilities. ET perhaps? So, by logic, you are confined to one or the other. Which is it?

812 posted on 06/27/2003 6:55:55 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: XBob
Go back a few hundred years, and your ancestors believed that diseases were caused by god, not by microscopic organisms. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. It makes it true that you believe it though.

This statement is laughable. The so-called "scientists" of 500 years ago were the ignorant ones! They used to "bleed" people as a medical treatment for disease, and they believed in "phlogiston," and an earth-centered universe. It was Christians/theists who made the biggest scientific breakthroughs in history - Kepler, Copernicus, Newton, Galileo, Pasteur. Furthermore, the ancient jews had built-in protections against germs. How did they know? Read the bible - God told Moses that the hebrews were not to drink blood or touch a dead animal - why do you suppose that was? How did Moses know that blood and dead animals carry bacteria and disease? The jews also had hygienic practices. During the Black Death of the 1300s, Jews were relatively unschathed by the plague - why? Because they were clean so the disease-carrying rats didn't hang out in their neighborhood as they did others. As a result, many blamed the jews for plague. Who was more ignorant? Care to do some study and rethink before making any more "ignorant" statements?

813 posted on 06/27/2003 7:29:17 AM PDT by exmarine
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