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To: Semper
Killing a caterpillar is not ending the life of a butterfly because the life of the butterfly has not started. It can't be a caterpillar and a butterfly at the same time; just as you can't have a fetus and a baby at the same time - one preceeds the other.

At 16 weeks, the being in the womb has arms, legs, a beating heart, and a brain. Are you going to tell me that this being is just a "thing"? My eyes tell me differently! My eyes must be lying eh? Moreover, science confirms it is a unique "human being" - the DNA proves it. What precisely is the difference between a human being and a person in this case? The will of the mother! If the mother decides that the being inside her is a person, then VOILA! it magically becomes a person; on the other hand, if she decides it is just a blob or fetus, then voila! - it becomes a blob! That sounds logical and sane (/sarcasm off)...

540 posted on 06/23/2003 2:24:38 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
At 16 weeks, the being in the womb has arms, legs, a beating heart, and a brain. Are you going to tell me that this being is just a "thing"?

No. But it is in a womb and attached to the mother. It has no ability to function on its own and it has no self-awareness or consciousness. Those things occur after the birth process.

My eyes tell me differently! My eyes must be lying eh?

You are arguing with yourself here.

Moreover, science confirms it is a unique "human being" - the DNA proves it. What precisely is the difference between a human being and a person in this case?

I'm not sure what you mean here but the difference between a fetus and a human baby is quite clear. The baby is outside of the mother's womb. It is not attached to the mother by an umbilical cord. It is breathing on its own, eating on its own, becomeing aware of the human environment, developing consciousness (through external input), requiring and receiving constant care and attention by its mother and others, and much more.

But the point here is not what you or I see and how we interpret that evidence, the point is whether or not you should be taking responsibility for what is in my wife's womb. How my family deals with a pregnancy is up to us and not up to you or the government. I do not like the concept of abortion and I hope that it will cease but I like even less the prospect of you trying to determine personal reproductive matters for me and my family.

563 posted on 06/23/2003 3:44:02 PM PDT by Semper
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