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To: AppyPappy
I don't believe in a lot of the things the PCUSA has done, including the stupid removal of male pronouns in the Hymnbook, "God of the AGES" instead of "God of our FATHERS"......"Good Christians ALL rejoice," instead of "Good Christian MEN rejoice"......RIDICULOUS! Some of the leaders of the PCUSA have a liberal agenda that the majority of churches do not subscribe to.

I don't ever seek to change or remove Scripture to suit my own position. EVER! The passage in Timothy is clear, but it is also in reference to male elders, so saying anything but "Husband of one wife" to talk about marital fidelity would have been nonsensical to those to whom it was written. As I said before, that, in and of itself, does not make the case that elders can never be women.

What I am saying is that there are absolute truths in Scripture, and there are also cultural directives, that need to be interpreted in cultural context, and we need to be very careful about how we understand them (after studying them with the understanding that God's word is inerrant).

For instance, the passage in 1 Corinthians 14:33-35, where Paul says that women should be silent in church (preceded by "God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace") specifically refered to the women of Corinth who were behaving inappropriately in church. That passage has been interpreted (incorrectly, IMO) to mean that only men should speak, pray, teach or talk in church. When I was young (in the 50's), it was a common interpretation that women shouldn't say a word in church, yet the Quakers in the 19th century had women lay pastors, and my own VERY conservative denomination had had women pastors during the Depression, but would NEVER have done so in the '50's or beyond. Different well meaning Christians interpret these passages very differently....... and what we need to do as believers is to delve deep to see what they really mean, and not just look at the surface. This is true of any area of faith.....like pre-destination, election, eternal security, works, sanctification, holiness, prophesy.....everything.

I seriously urge you, if you are a young Christian to be wary of those who claim to know what everything in Scripture means, down to the punctuation marks. They have stopped asking questions, of themselves, and of the Lord as to what His Word means, and that, IMO, is dangerous. There are far too many of those folks on FR.

98 posted on 06/18/2003 8:54:48 AM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: ohioWfan
Ahhh....good example. Let's look at the Scripture: 1 Corinthians 14 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Note that Paul says "in ALL the congregations". Of course, women were not allowed to hold leadership positions so there was no need for them to speak. They were to follow the example of Mary of Mary&Martha fame. Now, you read this and you seem to conclude that Paul was only speaking to the church in Corinth although there is no evidence that he limited it to that church alone. As a matter of fact, he seems to be explicitly speaking of all churches. So my question is : What Scriptural evidence do you have to refute Paul's admonition? Note: I'm not telling you to keep quiet in church. I'm asking why you draw the conclusion that you draw. Why do you believe what you believe?

In the olden days, people thought they were Saved by their piousness, despite Scripture to the contrary. If people had bothered to read and study Scripture instead of blindly follwing tradition, they would have seen they were wrong. We have the same problem today. Instead of reading and studying Scripture, we just blindly follow traditions. When Scripture runs contrary to our beliefs, we chuck Scripture out the window.

125 posted on 06/18/2003 10:44:03 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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