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To: Motherbear
I have never said, nor implied that I have no faults, and it's preposterous for you to assume that it's what I think. I could give you a list if you'd like, though it might take a while........

But I do NOT have the faults that YOU have ascribed to me on this thread, so it would be a lie to 'admit' them......and I will state again, that you are on dangerous ground by assuming you know what God's will is for another person, unless it is involving sin. Dangerous ground.

154 posted on 06/18/2003 11:29:55 AM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: ohioWfan; Motherbear
I will state again, that you are on dangerous ground by assuming you know what God's will is for another person, unless it is involving sin.

I think there is a need for clarification. Mother Bear believes it is wrong for all women, whether they feel so called or not, to become pastors in church because it is against God's preceptive will, which is God's revealed law or commandments.

OhioWfan takes personal offense at Mother Bear's claim, because OhioWfan thinks Mother Bear is speaking of God's secret Sovereign decretive will, the will by which God brings to pass whatsoever he decrees in our lives. We don't know what this is until it happens.

But Mother Bear does have a right to speak about the former kind of will as applied to other people because God does not contradict himself. He never calls people to sin. So he never calls individual women to be pastors or elders in his church after telling all woman to "be silent" in church, that they can't "teach or have authority over" men.

This is Mother Bear's point and it is well taken. It is a direct application of Scripture and not an assumption.

BTW, more information on the different meanings of the will of God may be found on pp. 67-69 of RC Sproul's Essential Truths of the Christian Faith.

165 posted on 06/18/2003 11:50:28 AM PDT by Lady Eileen
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