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To: Sans-Culotte
Thank you, Sans-Culotte.

God used women throughout Scripture to lead........look at Esther, as well as Deborah.......in addition to all the women in the New Testament who proclaimed the Gospel of the risen Lord.....starting with Mary Magdalen.

Joel, 2:28, referring to the Day of the Lord...."And afterward I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days."

God uses women, as well as men to spread the Gospel, He has in the past, and He will in the future, as HIS WORD declares, and it is not for these people, as well meaning as they may be, to assume that they know more than God about whom he chooses to use.

102 posted on 06/18/2003 9:10:17 AM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: ohioWfan; Motherbear
God used women throughout Scripture to lead...look at Esther, as well as Deborah.

(1) Esther's authority was 100% derivative of her husband's and extended only to the extent of his permission and over his kingdom, just as a wife's authority is absolute under her husband's in their own home.

Thus Esther is a not a model for women pastors in church, which is a different kind of government.

(2) At first glance, Deborah is a more plausible model for would-be women pastors. She led Israel, not a pagan country, and her authority was not derived from her husband. It was God's will for her to serve as she did. But those who think Deborah is a model for women who want to lead in church today overlook or ignore Scriptures that clarify the unique nature and purpose of God's elevation of Deborah to leadership over Israel.

God raised Deborah, a woman, to lead Israel at that time in large part to judge the men of Israel for their cowardice. She mocks Barak for refusing to lead Israel into battle because he wanted to hide behind the skirts of a woman. [Judges 4:8-9]

That point is also clear from Isaiah chapter 3, which is a judgment on Judah and Jerusalem. Part of God's judgment is that children and women will rule over the weak men: "My people -- infants are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, your guides mislead you..." [Isaiah 3:12]

Some things don't change: today, thousands of years later, feminist guides still mislead many, including many well-intentioned Christians in the church. The fact that they're succeeding is evidence of God's judgment on this generation.

149 posted on 06/18/2003 11:20:27 AM PDT by Lady Eileen
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