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To: coloradan
Yes, I know that. Knowing that is what prompted my question. Why are some of what you listed not a violation of the 5th amendment right that you not be required to bear witness against yourself?
19 posted on 06/17/2003 3:35:01 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
I not a JBT and won't argue for one on FR. But I can understand two arguments such people might raise, even if I don't agree with them. First, getting a license is "voluntary," not compulsory, and therefore you are free to decide you don't want to abide by the terms and conditions, for example including implied consent. (But, try to be a productive citizen lacking one.) There is no compulsion to get a license, hence no "compulsion" to bear witness against yourself, even if such things did require you to testify against yourself.

Second, these things are not "testimony," they are physical evidence. (Presently) you can't be compelled to take truth serum and respond to an interrogator's questions, but you can be compelled to give hair or blood or semen samples if there is a valid warrant, signed by a judge with probable cause, etc. And, they don't even need a warrant if you spit on the ground or discard a drinking glass covered by your fingerprints. Having an anal probe installed and monitored 24/7 by the government isn't "testimony," why, it's just a monitor of your rectal temperature (for the good of the children, etc). With or without a warrant, they aren't asking you to incriminate yourself, they just want to know your rectal temperature.

Going back to the first point, you don't have to get a license if you don't want the probe installed and monitored. (But, what sort of extremist could possibly object to this modest, reasonable, common-sense safety measure, which would only make things better for everyone?)
21 posted on 06/17/2003 4:17:23 PM PDT by coloradan
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