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Anti-Spam Proposals Getting Tougher
WashingtonPost ^ | 06/17/03 | Jonathan Krim

Posted on 06/17/2003 9:38:17 AM PDT by bedolido

A bipartisan group of legislators and some citizen groups, concerned that current legislative proposals to combat e-mail spam are inadequate, are engaged in a major push for tougher alternatives.

The moves come amid intensified lobbying and political maneuvering over the issue. With outrage over spam at fever pitch, Congress is widely expected to pass the first national anti-spam law this year.

In the House, a new bill is likely to be introduced this week that its sponsors promise is tougher than legislation offered last month by Reps. W.J. "Billy" Tauzin (R-La.) and F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.). Although Tauzin and Sensenbrenner head the two House committees that any spam legislation must pass through, their bill was widely criticized by anti-spam activists after revelations that lobbyists from the marketing, retailing and Internet-provider industries helped craft it.

The new bill, by Reps. Heather A. Wilson (R-N.M.) and Gene Green (D-Tex.), contains broader enforcement powers for federal and state authorities, tighter restrictions on marketers and an anti-pornography provision, according to a draft obtained by The Washington Post.

Whereas other legislation focuses on spammers that use deception and peddle scams and pornography, Wilson said her bill recognizes that any unwanted commercial e-mail is spam.

"This is a business that is always looking for the next loophole," Wilson said in an interview. "We take out a lot of the loopholes."

The bill has the support of Rep. John D. Dingell (D-Mich.), the senior Democrat on the Energy and Commerce Committee, who in the past has combined with Tauzin on key telecommunications legislation. Dingell said he is having ongoing "friendly" discussions with Tauzin about working out differences between the bills.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antispam; proposals; spam; tougher
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1 posted on 06/17/2003 9:38:17 AM PDT by bedolido
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To: bedolido
I'm so glad that I have the government to protect from things that I can simply remove from my email INBOX by pressing "DELETE".
2 posted on 06/17/2003 9:46:52 AM PDT by xrp
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To: bedolido
With outrage over spam at fever pitch,


3 posted on 06/17/2003 9:53:44 AM PDT by 4mycountry (Japanese drain pipe is so tiny, please don't flush too much toilet papers.)
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To: xrp
what bothers me is when my wife forwards the enlarge ones to me... very embarrassing.
4 posted on 06/17/2003 9:56:25 AM PDT by bedolido (Where'd I put that Tin-Foil Hat?)
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To: xrp
"I'm so glad that I have the government to protect from things that I can simply remove from my email INBOX by pressing "DELETE"."

Good point, but what about the porn spam that my son can easily see in HIS inbox?

5 posted on 06/17/2003 9:57:24 AM PDT by lormand
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To: bedolido
The best penalty for spammers is the DEATH PENALTY. I'm sick of these clowns and their abuse of the email system.

DEATH TO SPAM!

DEATH TP SPAMMERS!

6 posted on 06/17/2003 9:57:45 AM PDT by jimkress
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To: jimkress
DEATH TO SPAM! DEATH TP SPAMMERS!

lol... extreme.. but lmao

7 posted on 06/17/2003 9:59:52 AM PDT by bedolido (Where'd I put that Tin-Foil Hat?)
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To: xrp
The sheer VOLUME of spam is overwhelming. Perhaps you are not affected that much ... but it is really out of hand. When it affects my email storage and download times, it becomes my problem. Down with spam!
8 posted on 06/17/2003 10:03:10 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: xrp
I was away for four days. When I went to get my e-mail, I had 173 messages. I had to weed through this mess to find the 11 that were from friends, family, business issues. The rest was all crap!
9 posted on 06/17/2003 10:17:10 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: bedolido
A bipartisan group of legislators and some citizen groups, concerned that current legislative proposals to combat e-mail spam are inadequate, are engaged in a major push for tougher alternatives.

Here are some "tougher alternatives" I would like to see:

- Enforce existing laws against theft of services (for much spam uses third-party raped relays or is otherwise fraudulently injected into the net). Spam is theft and should be treated as such.

- Enforce and toughen existing laws against fraud. Much spam also touts products and services that are essentially fraudulent in nature - go after the people who are paying money to the spammers to ply their trade.

- Get the IRS involved against US spammers - start checking to see if they are declaring their ill-gotten gains on their tax returns, then prosecute them if they're not. It worked to nab Al Capone.

- Start prosecuting crackers, creators and sellers of ratware designed to facilitate spamming, and virus/Trojan writers. Current enforcement mechanisms against these parasites and troublemakers is a joke. Track them down, expose them, use governmental resources and/or the military if necessary.

- Expand the "Son of Sam" laws to prohibit spammers from profiting from their theft. If an Alan Ralsky pops up in a multi-million dollar home in the Hamptons again and it can be proven that much of his largesse is due to profiting from spam, he should be stripped.

- If a particular country offers Internet access but can't or won't prosecute spammers using its bandwidth (such as China, Brazil, Nigeria, etc.), then shun them - isolate them in their own little intranet. This goes as well for any ISP who can't or won't explicitly prohibit spamming on its network. There is an organization called SPEWS that does this to a degree - may their tribe increase.

- Stop offering unmetered, "all-you-can-eat" Internet access to all comers and require a substantial monetary deposit on all new Internet accounts, forfeitable if spam flows from the account or is used as a springboard for third-party abuse.

Bottom line: spammers spew their poison because they can make money doing it. Make spamming unprofitable (for the injection point as well as the spammer himself), and you can reduce the scale of the problem to a mere nuisance.

10 posted on 06/17/2003 10:24:03 AM PDT by strela ("Have Word Processor, Will Travel" reads the card of a man ...)
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To: bedolido
"This is a business that is always looking for the next loophole," Wilson said in an interview. "We take out a lot of the loopholes."

That's an interesting statement. The underlying premise seems to be that the natural state of all human behavior is to be banned. Any opening in the generalized Ban On Everything is a legislative "loophole."


11 posted on 06/17/2003 10:28:33 AM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: strela
"Much spam also touts products and services that are essentially fraudulent in nature..."

What if forged headers on spam promoting a stock or a business venture were prosecuted as wire fraud?

"If a particular country offers Internet access but can't or won't prosecute spammers using its bandwidth (such as China, Brazil, Nigeria, etc.), then shun them - isolate them in their own little intranet."

Absolutely. (You left out South Korea.) This approach has the advantage that legitimate email users in these countries would then put pressure on their govt to stop the spam.
12 posted on 06/17/2003 10:39:02 AM PDT by omega4412 (Delete spammers, not spam)
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To: xrp
Unless you have to press a couple of hundred times a day. And we won't even get into the SPAM that will begin to find its way to your cellphone e-mail inbox. In addition to the volume, there's real money involved; MY MONEY as I have to pay for every message.

DEATH TO SPAMMERS!!!


13 posted on 06/17/2003 10:44:09 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: bedolido
So the government should be in the business of preventing your wife from forwarding emails to you?

Certainly she has a brain and a little common sense, right? If not, she shouldn't use a computer.

14 posted on 06/17/2003 10:55:19 AM PDT by xrp
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To: lormand
Good point, but what about the porn spam that my son can easily see in HIS inbox? If you allow your son (under age 18, I assume) to use a computer on the Internet, unsupervised, and have his own email address, then you seriously need to re-evaluate your parenting policy when it comes to your son, computers and the Internet.
15 posted on 06/17/2003 10:56:19 AM PDT by xrp
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To: BunnySlippers
So you're saying the government should be in the business of stopping things that some people find annoying. Do you not see a danger here?
16 posted on 06/17/2003 10:57:02 AM PDT by xrp
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To: Cobra64
The proper software and/or rulesets for your email client would enable you to sort that out without government intervention.
17 posted on 06/17/2003 10:58:30 AM PDT by xrp
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To: bedolido
Tar and feathering is too lenient - boiling in oil may be too severe.

Spammers are thieves and deserve to be treated as such.
18 posted on 06/17/2003 11:04:40 AM PDT by jimt
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To: xrp
I can simply remove from my email INBOX by pressing "DELETE".

Right now my spam to good email ratio is close to 100 to 1. The connect time required for me to download the spam is more than 100 to 1 since most of the spam emails are larger than my regular email. The background costs to my ISP for processing and storage of this spam is more than 100 to 1.

Spam is costing each internet user money. You pay not only for the spam you get but also for the spam I and millions of others receive.

BTW: Picking out the one good email from 100 is far more tedious then simply hitting delete.

Maybe your email ady has not been on the internet as long as mine has, but someday it will. Given the exponential rise in spam over time you will be facing an enormous problem that you can not even imagine.

19 posted on 06/17/2003 11:17:35 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: jimkress
Burning's too good for them, hanging's too good for them! They should be torn into little bitty pieces and buried
alive!
20 posted on 06/17/2003 11:20:50 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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