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Bush Presidency is Advancing the Progressive Agenda
Sierra Times ^ | 6-17-03 | John Bender

Posted on 06/17/2003 5:07:22 AM PDT by SUSSA

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To: SUSSA
I'm at work so I can't get into it the way I would like to BUT I think you are right on most points and worng on a few others ... Thinking that the country would have been better off with Agore is way wrong in my humble opinion. I will be lurking but I can't post for a while
61 posted on 06/17/2003 6:35:39 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: clamper1797
And we would not have done a thing about 9/11

Based on what? Clinton was quite a vicious guy and responded in kind when attacked. And Gore would have probably taken the opportunity to show his 'manly' side and re-unite the nation under him - same way Clinton did after OK City..

62 posted on 06/17/2003 6:35:55 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: SUSSA
We're going to see a lot of this kind of psych stuff until the election because it's easy to panic conservatives. It worked like a charm with with Bush 41 and could easily work again with Bush 43. Conservatives will again think they did the right think as we watch the next Democrat inauguration.
63 posted on 06/17/2003 6:39:51 AM PDT by Consort
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To: SUSSA
I'm still giving Bush a break.

Deep in the bowels of the bureaucracy he's doing some good.

He bankrupted the land grabbing socialists at the US Fish & Wildlife Service who use the endangered species act to control private property. To me, this is huge because private property is the base of all liberty. More than 190 million acres of private property were seized and placed under government control by the feds under Clintoon. Let's see if this land grab is reversed.

He's looking to turn over 800,000 federal jobs to the private sector. If this means firing 800,000 burueacrats, that's good. And private contractors are much more accountable than bureaucrats.

Bush floated the trial balloon that he wants to eliminate the federal income tax. If he makes that part of his 2004 platform, that's good.

Yes, he's growing government way too much. The Dept. of Education disgusts me. But I'm still willing to stay aboard ship until I see the iceburg coming our way.
64 posted on 06/17/2003 6:49:39 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Aloysius; Destructor
The war was necessary. The WMD excuse was meaningless. The war had to be fought because Iraq violated the ceasefire they signed in back in the George the Elder administration. The U.S. can’t allow defeated nations to violate ceasefire agreements and get away with it.

President Bush was stuck. He had to go back into Iraq, but to point out that it was because of the ceasefire violations would have made it clear that his father blew it by not finishing the job when Iraq first violated the ceasefire. It would remind people that his father was a failed president.

Nor could he mention that Clinton failed to do anything about the violations for 8 years, because the Democrats would have blistered his father for failing to act while he was still in office. They would have said he was blaming Clinton for his father's mess.

Bush took a chance that Iraq still had WMDs and used that as his excuse. It was a good political move and is still holding up. Bush keeps lowering the bar and the public isn’t even noticing it.

The war is Bush’s greatest accomplishment. Now, we have to see how he does with the occupation and nation building. It’s too early to tell how that will work out.
65 posted on 06/17/2003 6:51:01 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Clinton was quite a vicious guy and responded in kind when attacked

What a crock of Bigtime TOTAL Bravo Sierra ... he virtually did NOTHING about the first WTC the Cole, Osama ETC ... what the HELL are you talking about

66 posted on 06/17/2003 6:52:56 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: sergeantdave
I agree with you about putting all those jobs up for private bidding. This is a huge accomplishment.

Someone on this board said getting out of Kyoto was not a big deal. Absolutely, totally wrong. This was a great, conservative move and one done despite significant domestic and foreign opposition

Someone else said there would have been no difference under Gore. So clueless! We would be hook, line and sinker in Kyoto under Gore and would still be wondering whether we should attack Afganistan.

67 posted on 06/17/2003 6:54:32 AM PDT by what's up
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To: clamper1797
Yeah, I'm going to have to do some work today too. Nice talking to you. Maybe we can discuss it later.
68 posted on 06/17/2003 6:54:32 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: TLBSHOW
I'm curious. Who would you like to see as President of The United States? Which candidate, in particular, would you support in 2004 to replace George W. Bush?
69 posted on 06/17/2003 6:55:25 AM PDT by arasina (All the good taglines were taken.)
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To: Destructor
Bump !
70 posted on 06/17/2003 6:56:05 AM PDT by OREALLY
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To: Dane
Get back to me when you stop the rants and can debate the modern politcal machinations of the US Senate.

How about, "Get back to me when you can stop the modern political machinations of the US Senate."? :-)

72 posted on 06/17/2003 6:57:14 AM PDT by arasina (All the good taglines were taken.)
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To: sergeantdave
He's looking to turn over 800,000 federal jobs to the private sector. If this means firing 800,000 burueacrats, that's good.
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He said he would put the work out for bids. What will happen is the burueacrats will just move into the new jobs that aren't going out for bids. They will just move into the agencies he is expanding. This is a trick to fool conservatives.
73 posted on 06/17/2003 6:59:07 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Aloysius
By the way where are the WMDs ?
Pray for our troops morale, they are under attack at home and they have only been in Iraq a "few weeks "!
75 posted on 06/17/2003 7:02:51 AM PDT by OREALLY
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To: arasina
To be honest I would like to see George Bush reverse his current course (Socialist agenda) and do what is right.
76 posted on 06/17/2003 7:03:44 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: arasina
Which candidate, in particular, would you support in 2004 to replace George W. Bush?

Haven't you heard? On May 1, 2004 Todd will be support George Bush. During the campaign, Todd will be claiming victory at the many whistle-stops and town hall meetings. Come the November election (and subsequent landslide), Todd will claim that he, and he alone, was responsible for re-electing GWB. Because he held that socialist, ratty-rat, demorat, no-good stalinists "feet-to-the-fire" - but GOOD!

78 posted on 06/17/2003 7:05:35 AM PDT by TomServo (Free Illbay!!)
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To: SUSSA
Progressives certainly don't seem to think that President Bush is advancing their agenda. From their webpage:

This is the time to be bold. The answer to "compassionate conservatism" is not timid progressivism. A majority of Americans support Progressive Majority's common sense agenda for Economic Justice, Civil Rights, Universal Health Care, Quality Education, Environmental Protection and Reproductive Freedom.


79 posted on 06/17/2003 7:06:08 AM PDT by Amelia (Because I'm the mom and I said so!)
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To: arasina
The problem is we can’t get a conservative to run against him. Anyone who did run against him in the primary would be demonized by the RINO machine that runs the party now.

There are plenty of good conservatives who would do a much better job. Phil Grahm, Tom DeLay, Ron Paul, Dick Armey, and Bob Barr are just a few that jump to mind.
80 posted on 06/17/2003 7:06:39 AM PDT by SUSSA
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