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Fire On Illegal Migrants, Says Italian Minister
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-17-2003 | Bruce Johnston

Posted on 06/16/2003 5:53:09 PM PDT by blam

Fire on illegal migrants, says Italian minister

By Bruce Johnston in Rome
(Filed: 17/06/2003)

The Italian navy should open fire with live ammunition on boats carrying illegal immigrants to the country, a senior minister said yesterday, commenting that he was "sick of them".

Umberto Bossi, minister for reform and leader of the xenophobic Northern League, told Corriere della Sera that he wanted to hear "the blast of cannon". He added: "After the second or third warning, bang! We open fire. What we need is a cannonade to knock out whoever might be there. Otherwise, we're never going to end this problem."

Umberto Bossi:
explosive issue

Amid widespread protests, Mr Bossi issued a statement last night saying he had been misunderstood. "The interview published this morning . . . by no means reflects my thoughts, nor the sense of my replies in what was only a quick exchange of a few remarks," he said.

A new wave of illegal boat people pouring on to Italy's long and vulnerable coastline has coincided with a heatwave and calm seas.

The flood of Third World people has become an explosive political issue in the coalition led by Silvio Berlusconi, the prime minister, as alliance partners vie for power. In the past fortnight thousands have landed in southern Italy, including 3,000 in Lampedusa island between Sicily and North Africa.

The League, which fought national elections two years ago on a strong anti-immigration ticket, has begun using the issue as a way of increasing its profile in the coalition's internal struggle.

The party attacked the interior minister, Giuseppe Pisanu, yesterday for failing to quell the tide of illegal immigrants. It said he had failed to put into action a tough anti-immigration law which the League inspired and helped to push through parliament a year ago, and called for his resignation.

Asked whether it would be right to fire on immigrants, generally women and children, Mr Bossi said: "Whether they're good or bad, illegal immigrants have to be chased away. "The navy and coastguard should be defending our shores and using their cannon to do it. That's the best way to enforce the law."

At present, Italy's navy is allowed only to board boats at sea and escort them back to port, in keeping with international marine practice.

But at the weekend Mr Pisanu said he would push through a government decree enabling naval and coastguard personnel to patrol international waters off Italy to deter boat people.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: albania; balkans; fire; illegal; immigrants; italian; minister

1 posted on 06/16/2003 5:53:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: ValenB4
Nice, real nice.
2 posted on 06/16/2003 5:59:50 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Where are my anti-anxiety pills?!)
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To: blam
Forza!
3 posted on 06/16/2003 6:03:39 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Actually you only have to do this once, twice at the most. The message comes through loud and clear after that.
4 posted on 06/16/2003 6:50:02 PM PDT by Crusader21stCentury
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To: ffusco
On Europe's 70 m.p.h. smuggling route

Not sure if this policy has been sparked by the large numbers of North Africans coming from the south or by the Albanian "skafisti" pictured above coming across the Adriatic. A few years ago, when chased at sea, the skafisti would throw a few of their human cargo overboard & the Italians would then have to rescue them--allowing the boat to get away--kind of like those old Russian tales where they throw one of the passengers out of the sleigh and into the snow in order to delay the pursuing wolf pack. Anyway, as a result, the Italians quit trying to intercept them enroute--instead they tried to catch the people as they came ashore and then went after the boats on the return trip back to Albania. The Albanians used a lot of 18-20 year old kids as boat drivers--fearless at that age. Like the Mexican border, most of the passengers are just guys trying to get somewhere to get a job--but there's always a mix of drugs & criminals & human trafficking & potentially terrorist collateral cargo. The problem if you open fire as they're coming in, instead of a criminal, you could hit some poor kidnapped girl being trafficked or some slob who just wants to get a job to support his family back in Bumscrewistan--may be wrong, but doesn't deserve to be shot. Anyway, used to be able to go to the beaches near Durres & Vlore to watch'em load up in the evenings--no life jackets, but normally a plastic bag to keep passenger clothes dry & sometimes blankets--they'd put 20-40 in big zodiac looking boats & head out faster than anything the Albs, Greeks, or Italians had to catch them. The short term answer is increased enforcement on the Albanian shore--easy to spot the smugglers, but lots of inefficiency & corruption there--the long term solution is to remove the incentive for illegal immigration thru better economies at the point of origin or a guest worker program or ??

5 posted on 06/16/2003 6:50:57 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Crusader21stCentury
LMAO - I know, I know.
6 posted on 06/16/2003 6:51:05 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Where are my anti-anxiety pills?!)
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To: mark502inf
Yes it is much better to let them get in country and assault your citizens. Better your own are raped and murdered, it looks better in the papers.
7 posted on 06/16/2003 7:08:18 PM PDT by Crusader21stCentury
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To: blam
The Atlantic Monthly no less, stated in a revue of a book: "...one of the most disturbing novels of the late twentieth century..." Published, yes ,in France, in 1973 it is The Camp of the Saints. Author Jean Raspail.

I know at least one of the two moguls in book sales have copies. I drove ninety pleasant miles to Petoskey, Michigan to get a copy. A number of American editions have followed.

Liberals have foamed at the mouth in England and France. I have heard it is banned there. The question, terrible in it's clarity is posed- ie: I do not want to see them killed..... on the other hand, they will eventually kill me. This facing a great armada of third world souls approaching France.

I pass this on, for twas on this great forum and exchange of ideas, someone else posted about this book.

8 posted on 06/16/2003 7:21:08 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
"I pass this on, for twas on this great forum and exchange of ideas, someone else posted about this book."

Yup. Read it myself about three years ago after it was recommended to me on FR.

9 posted on 06/16/2003 7:31:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: Crusader21stCentury
Crusader, easy to say shoot in the abstract. Not so easy when you have to clean up the mess afterward--especially when its someone's child who didn't ask to be there or was kidnapped. I mentioned Albanian inefficiency & corruption--there's actually quite a bit of that on the other side of the Adriatic as well. Berlusconi's trying to tighten things up, but while the Italian Finanze & Coast Guard & Navy sailors definitely have the coolest sunglasses and best food in the Med, their work-ethic & efficiency have gone down hill since Venezia ruled the waves. How come I could watch the skafisti zoom off from Vlora at the same time as I could watch the Italians playing volleyball on their base on Sazan Island at the harbor entrance? I heard that is much better now, but before we start shooting women & children, we ought to make sure we are doing everything else we can to fix the problem. For example on our own southern border, we have not even put in the basics: adequate fencing, lighting, patrol roads, and lighting; not to mention TV cameras, seismic detectors, & either a bigger border patrol or military reinforcements. When you're being all you can be & you just can't stop the problem, then escalate the violence. Until then, do better with the fundamentals.
10 posted on 06/16/2003 7:39:50 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Yes some kidnapped girl might get shot, what about all the people who drown trying? What about the lucrative smugglers at sea- doing nothing only encourages it- sink a few boats and the cost to do this business is to dear and people decide to emigrate legally.- Like My ancestors. These criminals disrespect all legal immigrants! They still want to sneak into a country illegally? Let them risk paying the ultimate price for daring the attempt. Anyone willing to be smuggled on a raft could probably prosper if they followed the law. Show some respect toward your intended new home!

Enough moralizing about people trying to make a "better life", all crime is an attempt for people to make a "better life" for themselves.
11 posted on 06/16/2003 8:37:10 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: blam
In the past fortnight thousands have landed in southern Italy, including 3,000 in Lampedusa island between Sicily and North Africa.

Holy crap. Italy's got as much of a problem as the U.S. does with Mexico. It's messy work and there are no easy answers, but I think a nation's right to protect and defend its borders is absolute.

12 posted on 06/17/2003 4:16:39 AM PDT by tdadams
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