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Davis supporters don't discuss him
LA Daily News ^ | June 14, 2003 | Chris Weinkopf

Posted on 06/16/2003 4:57:46 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA

"We're serving notice that we're going to make this campaign about Darrell Issa's record -- both in and out of Congress."

So said the aptly named Democratic strategist Ace Smith, in speaking to a San Francisco reporter about his party's plans to derail the increasingly potent campaign to recall Gov. Gray Davis.

Smith and fellow partisans have decided their best bet is not to talk about Davis at all, but about Issa, the Republican congressman from San Diego County who's largely bankrolling the recall effort.

The strategy was on full display last week at a series of press conferences sponsored by local chapters of Planned Parenthood, the National Organization for Women and NARAL. The abortion lobby, fresh from defending partial-birth abortion in Washington, is turning its defensive energies toward Davis, hoping to make sure his administration isn't, well, aborted.

Along with fellow charter members of the anti-recall campaign -- most notably public-employee unions and environmental activists -- the abortion groups have decried Issa's record, while ignoring Davis'.

There's no blaming them for trying, but their denial isn't doing their man any favors.

If anything, the lack of enthusiasm for Davis' leadership among those carrying his banner is the best argument for the recall yet.

Back when the recall effort began, it all seemed so pointless and futile, even petty. For better or for worse, Californians had re-elected Davis last November. They had their chance to boot him from office, and they declined.

But since then, the recall movement has gained credibility, thanks in no small part to Issa's largess, as well as the governor's if-it-moves-tax-it approach to undoing his budget mess. In light of his 21 percent approval rating, it's safe to assume a fair number of Californians who backed Davis in November now suffer from buyer's remorse, thus making a once unthinkable recall now seem tantalizing.

It doesn't help Davis that even his staunchest allies seem unwilling or unable to make a positive argument for his continued leadership. Cataloging his most noteworthy accomplishments or demonstrating his competence and integrity is, apparently, too ambitious a task even for Sacramento's most-seasoned spinners.

That's why the pro-Davis groups have launched a frontal assault on Issa, denouncing the congressman as an "extremist" who's "out of touch with California." It's a classic diversionary tactic: If you can't win the debate, change the subject.

The problem is, it's not Issa's future that Californians would decide through a recall vote. It's Davis'.

Under state law, the recall ballot would contain two questions. The first would ask, simply, should Davis be removed from office? The second, which is binding only if a majority votes yes on the first, would offer a list of potential successors, with the top vote-getter among them taking office immediately.

Issa's name would almost certainly appear on that list, but so would several other Republicans (possibly Arnold Schwarzenegger) and some Democrats, who would likely be every bit as committed to the same liberal causes as Davis.

Besides, the question of who might succeed Davis would be rendered moot if the governor withstood the recall in the first place -- that is, if more than half the voters decided to let him stay. Yet even his supporters seem to doubt that could happen, as their anti-Issa rhetoric assumes that if recall makes the ballot, Californians will pick a new governor.

They're not alone.

While the state's leading Democrats -- such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Controller Steve Westly and Senate President John Burton -- oppose Davis' removal, they haven't ruled out putting their names on the ballot to succeed him. Clearly they realize that the California Democratic Party could soon be looking for a new standard-bearer, and they've got their eyes on the job.

But if neither Democrats nor Democratic constituencies think their governor can win, and they're unwilling to make a public case for why he should, then why do they bother to fight the recall at all? Wouldn't their energy be better spent picking a more suitable, less problematic replacement?

It's as though the special interests that make up the anti-recall movement believe a budget catastrophe and an avalanche of new taxes are a fair price to pay for a governor who serves his donors, and not the public, faithfully. That's their prerogative, but as long as they're fighting to perpetuate Davis' tenure, it would be nice to hear them offer a coherent explanation for why he deserves it.

Of course, there's a name for that kind of argument -- defending the indefensible.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; davis; recall
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To: Dog Gone
Thanks! There have been some fierce flame wars on some of the threads with much arguing as to who should replace Davis!

Rather entertaining but I say ANYTHING is better than Davis!
21 posted on 06/16/2003 8:11:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: markcowboy
Now, the demoRATS control everything. How did they get into power so fast? Was it Klinton and his frequent visits there?

I've only been here since 2000, but I can take a stab at it.

I think the biggest blame goes to the California Republicans. I'm serious, these "big tent" political geniuses (in their own minds) running the party believe that CA is too liberal to ever elect a Republican, even though as you point out from recent history-that is sheer idiocy.

In fact, they campaign very similar in style to the Democrates nationally, they wet their fingers and stick them in the air, they avoid difficult stands at all costs, and they're poll driven. They dither, they waffle, they contradict themselves. In other words, Parsky and Rioden and others do their best to keep voters in rural area at home on voting day. These people have become the "Swing voters" because they might not vote, but this is totally lost on Sacramento. They high five eachother for the 2.1% Democratic votes they swung when their candidate was for tougher gun laws, or for a woman's right to choose and think if they just move further Left next time, they won't lose by 15% someday.

California Republicans are defeatists. They're feckless cowards, intellectual bankrupt, and they've been committing political suicide as long as I've witnessed them. How did it happen so quickly? Well a popular conservative CA Governor once said that Democracy is never more a generation from disappearing, and its something that must be fought for. They couldn't be farther from "fighting" with Democrates because it might offend or come off as mean.

This Recall, which the CA GOP didn't support no matter what the papers tell you, might be the best thing to happen to them if they get Tom McClintock elected who has a real understanding and plan on how to eliminate this debt.

22 posted on 06/16/2003 8:16:52 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
A message to GREY BOY DAVIS;
you see a hand writing on the wall
~
"Te'-KEL
Thou art weighed in the balances,and art found wanting"
(Daniel 5,27)
23 posted on 06/16/2003 8:38:08 PM PDT by Cheapskate
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To: Cheapskate
Go Arnold go!
24 posted on 06/16/2003 8:42:03 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Rather entertaining but I say ANYTHING is better than Davis!

I have learned not to say that, we used to have a socialist congressman, we said anything would be better than him, were we ever wrong. Now we have a a full blown Marxist, La Raza congressman, who represents Mexico. The old one looks good now.

26 posted on 06/16/2003 8:53:49 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: markcowboy
I also remember the blue/red map of 2000 showed more land voting for

Yes, voter fraud sounds like a problem, so does party fraud. The aforementioned pretentious elites of the Republican party were mad as hell their man Dick "campaign check for Maxine Waters" Rioden was beaten by Simon, so they half handedly supported him, then when the Davis smear machine painted him an Enron like corrupt businessman, they either piddled down their legs or sold him out, I don't know which happened.

I do know, speaking of the red/blue map, that the often butt of jokes Simon "secretly" carried every county in CA except two, LA and SF and barely lost the popular vote, but the California Republicans still managed to lose to a guy who turned a $12 billion surplus into what was at the time thought to be around $20 billion deficeit in 1 term, and passed the buck onto Simon's inexperience. Speaking of acting like Democrates...buck passing!

27 posted on 06/16/2003 9:31:04 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I want to know where he stands on the issues, like dealing with the budget first, he might make a good gov,
28 posted on 06/16/2003 9:32:55 PM PDT by markman46
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
This lack of defense of Davis is around N. California by his die hards. This weekend I got to hear two of them plead their strongest defense, "He was elected and should be allowed to serve his full term!"

They either set like rocks or stand like trees and say nothing to defend Davis besides he was elected.
29 posted on 06/16/2003 10:01:09 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Support The Brave Iranians as they bring about a needed regime change!)
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To: Dog Gone
It's going to be a circus, and it's going to be entertaining, but nobody could possibly be worse than Davis.

I'll have to disagree on that one. Cruz Bustamante would be worse, I think, as would any number of the loons infesting the legislature these days. Which is why the recall is only half the solution; we've got to work to get a Republican elected when Davis gets his ticket punched.

30 posted on 06/17/2003 9:02:57 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: Grampa Dave
"He was elected and should be allowed to serve his full term!"

I got a good one for that logic. Would these partisans agree that because he was elected in a landslide that President Richard Nixon should not have resigned, and that the Constitution would have been better served if he had served out his term?

See how they like them apples.

31 posted on 06/17/2003 9:19:10 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
It is a good one until they say that Davis committed no crimes or was behind a crime.

I will try it.
32 posted on 06/17/2003 9:25:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Support The Brave Iranians as they bring about a needed regime change!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Hey Ace, good stratigery. Open you big yap about Davis and everyone will burst out laughing.

Ya know the spin meisters have checked alot of polls on Davis, that's how they are trapped. Any anti-recall partisan; make them defend Davis' rule.

Stupid moron politicians, can't even balance a simple budget and spend within their means.

It is very simple, Tom McClintock wrote months ago that the only thing they need to do is cut spending by 9.5%, then hold spending rates for 18 months, and the terrifying unsolvable deficit is gone!

But Gray has a talent, fund raising, and those interests demand a return on investment.

33 posted on 06/17/2003 9:30:33 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Well, the only thing they got Tricky Dicky on was the appearance of a crime, and that it appeared that he covered up after the fact. But the actual act wasn't a big deal at all, some Demos felt violated, why do I care?

Now Gray on the other hand, and I've always wanted an answer on this since I heard in months ago on Larry Elder got something like $350,000 in campaign contributions from none other than Enron. He then went ahead and locked in these long term high price contracts.

This begs the question, did Gray allow this power crisis to come up in order to pay back such a large contributor? They'll deny it, but you can say that "the appearance" of inpropriaty is so glaring that he must have at least covered it up the wrong doing of his energy contracts after the fact.

So he's as bad as Nixon, except the the crime Gray committed is much, MUCH more serious than B & E on a Democratic headquarters. We shouldn't be talking about a recall of Gray Davis, we should be talking about an Impeachment.
34 posted on 06/17/2003 9:37:03 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
I don't know the actual amount, but Davis received one if not the biggest donations from Enron.

What he did with Whoreacle was a total crime re whoreacle's money and special considerations for Whoreacle at the state level.
35 posted on 06/17/2003 9:39:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Support The Brave Iranians as they bring about a needed regime change!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Yeah, I was alittle late on hearing about the Oracle kickbacks, but that was a travesty of justice. I think alot of people are signing because of hearing about that alone.

So that 2 issues right there that make Gray Davis worse than Richard Nixon. Nixon stepped down (idealistically and naively if you ask me) and Gray denies he's ever done a single thing wrong in his term.

They're right if they argue with you about comparing the two. There is no comparison, Nixon had honor and shame, Davis doesn't know the meaning of the words.
36 posted on 06/17/2003 9:44:45 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
It is very simple, Tom McClintock wrote months ago that the only thing they need to do is cut spending by 9.5%, then hold spending rates for 18 months, and the terrifying unsolvable deficit is gone!

You bet. Any high school student could balance this thing in short order. It's gunna happen. Like I stated, we are not dealing with Arkansas here. This budget mess can be reversed pretty quickly, with a few common sense decisions.

37 posted on 06/17/2003 9:47:38 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Recall Gray Davis, position his smoking chair over a trap door, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Cataloging his most noteworthy accomplishments or demonstrating his competence and integrity is, apparently, too ambitious a task even for Sacramento's most-seasoned spinners.

Calling Rumplestilskin!

38 posted on 06/17/2003 9:49:00 AM PDT by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: Joe Hadenuf
You bet. Any high school student could balance this thing in short order. It's gunna happen.

Well, they'll have to deal with alot of really p*ssed off teachers, prison gaurds, and Unions who all have friends in the local media. That guy has to have an ability to take people hating him.

Issa has that

McClintock has that.

I honestly don't think Ah-nold has that. All these fan boy's of this pleasing moderate might just set the GOP out here back another 5 years when he gets in there and cuts nothing.

This budget mess can be reversed pretty quickly, with a few common sense decisions.

I agree, that's the kind of optimism we need. We need somebody in there who shares it.

39 posted on 06/17/2003 10:28:02 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
While the state's leading Democrats -- such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Controller Steve Westly and Senate President John Burton -- oppose Davis' removal, they haven't ruled out putting their names on the ballot to succeed him.

OMG...Governor John Burton?

If that happens, invest in luggage retailers. People will leave the state in droves to escape taxes and fees and socialist reforms in the schools.

40 posted on 06/17/2003 11:53:30 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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