75% Of American People Wrong On Child Tax Credit!

Rush Limbaugh ^ | June 16, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh

[TLBSHOW]

75% Of American People Wrong On Child Tax Credit!

June 16, 2003

In the audio link below, I share with you the latest news on the child tax credit for people that don't pay taxes. "Rush, how can you have a tax credit for people who don't pay taxes?" Well, you can't - but that hasn’t stopped certain Republicans from trying to buy their way out of Democrat attacks with your money. The "tax writer" for the Associated Press writes a story on those few Republicans in the House who are fighting for what's right on this.

Those Republicans demand more tax cuts for the people who pay taxes in the bill calling for this gift to non-taxpayers. The White House wants this misnamed "tax credit" by July 4th, which leads me to ask, "What has changed?" The last I knew, the House was sort of standing up to the president. Tom DeLay was saying that this is a tax cut bill, not a welfare bill. The House has added tax cuts for military people, families of those killed in the Columbia, etc., but that's given the Senate pause as the bill heads into conference.

This is crazy! I don't care if 75% of the American people want to take money out of the wallets of some and put it into the wallets of others; it's still not right. As Alexander Tyler wrote in his 1778 book The Cycle of Democracy: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse out of the public treasury." The House bill extends the tax cut to non-taxpayers, but only partially extends it to people making $150K a year. Those people were left out of the original bill! Do you see why we say this is a welfare bill, not a tax cut bill?

AP: "Moderate Republicans and Democrats in the Senate said they cannot accept this bill because it deepens already record deficits." So we can give tax credits or tax cuts to people who don't pay taxes, but we cannot give them to people who do pay taxes because they make 150 grand or more. We can't give the military tax breaks on home sales and travel expenses (despite the fact they're saving our ass every day from people who would kill us) or to the families of astronauts killed in the space shuttle, because it's going to cause the deficit to go up - but we can give tax cuts to people who don't pay taxes. This is nuts.

[Derrald]

so, when these people go to the store to buy a loaf of bread, they flash a magical "I'm poor" sticker and don't pay tax? Just a tad confused

[TLBSHOW]

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[anncoulteriscool]

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[anncoulteriscool]

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[anncoulteriscool]

I have a question for the group here for where some might say consevatives are inconsistent on this issue. We are saying that there should be no tax cut for people that dont pay taxes yet we believe that a (for example) a single mom of a child that goes to a horrible govt school we say that that person should be given a govt voucher or (OUR MONEY) to send her kid to a private school if she wishes to do that. I'm not neccessarily equating the two I'm just bringing in up for discussion.

[glock rocks]

wonder if rove has dreams about lyndon

[TLBSHOW]

Hi anncoulteriscool

Did you listen to Rush today? It was a classic.

[Grando Calrissian]

so, when these people go to the store to buy a loaf of bread, they flash a magical "I'm poor" sticker and don't pay tax? Just a tad confused

It's not a sticker, it's a card. You can get one at your local Wal-Mart.

[Yeti]

I have been holding back on this one, but I think I am ready to chime in.

I am a beneficiary of the tax credit, or would be, if the money didn't go to the Dept. of Education. And I understand the pro-Bush crowd's support of it. What Rush understands but doesn't acknowledge is something that we all know, something that you alluded in an earlier post.

Most of us have read some of the tax-reform threads here on FR, and we have heard the arguments elsewhere. A significant point in all of the arguments for tax reform is how much of the taxes that we pay are "hidden." Built into the price of every product I buy are all of the income taxes that were taken along the way, gas taxes, licensing fees, etc... so if I am poor and have approximately zero disposable income, I have paid a great deal of my income out in hidden taxes on food, shelter and clothing.

Now, I am against the tax credit in principle. I don't like the graduated income tax at all. But, in the absence of an emerging constitutionalist regime, we don't have the option of switching to a legitimate means of funding the government.

And since we are not talking about switching suddenly to a just system with equity for all, and in view of the widening gulf between the rich and the poor, what we are talking about really is just good manners.

It is bad form for the ruling class to tax the poor, directly or otherwise. It smacks of Marie Antoinette.

Now, Bush hasn't bought my vote with this by any means, and I am against a graduated income tax altogether. But Rush going on and on feigning ignorance about the reality of taxes being embedded into the price of consumer goods is just lame.

[MonroeDNA]

Milton Friedman (Noble-prize winner in economics, back when the Nobel prize meant something), said, and I paraphrase:

"If you want something to increase, subsidize it. If you want something to decrease, tax it."

(Somebody please quote the actual quote, so my sorry excuse will be laid to rest)

In this case, what this means is that we want people off welfare (the Federal "Earned Income" refund is free money for those who pay no taxes), and we want people OUT of Government schools.

[SUSSA]

The reason 75% of the people think this is OK is because they don’t understand it. They are still getting their news from the elite media and don’t know that this is not a tax cut, it is a new welfare benefit for people who don’t pay income taxes.

I’ve had to explain it to two of my employees and one had me explain it to his wife because he couldn’t get her to understand. When I told her, she at first said I was wrong, because it wasn’t the way it was presented on the TV news. I had to send her newspaper articles from the Washington Times and World Net Daily to convince her.

Then I started explaining that you can’t believe the elite media. You have to verify all news from some reliable source like the Washington Times, World Net Daily, News Max, the Drudge Report, Ether Zone etc. or take it with a grain of salt.

She is now reading the news on her daughter’s computer and told me this morning that she never knew some of the things she is finding out.

What’s really discouraging, is that there are people who are reading reliable news sources and still think this welfare expansion is OK. There was a guy on Rush today who thought it was a great idea and that Bush is a great leader for forcing the conservatives to cave in on this. Rush almost choked. It was funny in a pathetic sort of way.

[dalereed]

A school voucher for $4,000 or $5,000 saves the taxpayers at least $10,000 that they don't pay to the public brain laundry.

Therefore the poor that recieve a school voucher isn't the same as the "tax credit" to people that don't pay income tax which is straight out welfare and should never have been initiated and should be terminated immediatly.

[TLBSHOW]

There was a guy on Rush today who thought it was a great idea and that Bush is a great leader for forcing the conservatives to cave in on this. Rush almost choked. It was funny in a pathetic sort of way.


LOL

I thought Rush was goung to die right there on the spot.

[dalereed]

"It is bad form for the ruling class to tax the poor"

No taxes from the poor, cut out all the services also.

[SUSSA]

That mother isn't getting additional money. She is getting money that is already being pi$$ed down the rat hole of government schools. Letting her take that money and spend it in a free market school is not a great idea but better than keeping the money and the kid going to the socialist school.

The best thing is to get government totally out of the school industry and let the market fix things. There is no place for government schools in a free society.

For real good information on this go to the Separation of School and State Alliance web site. http://www.sepschool.org

[Moonman62]

This is crazy! I don't care if 75% of the American people want to take money out of the wallets of some and put it into the wallets of others; it's still not right.

This is the case whether or not people receiving the credit pay taxes.

[MonroeDNA]

"...what we are talking about really is just good manners."

It is good manners for people who produce, to just give to Freeloaders? Yes, it is, but not at the point of a gun, which Government is doing. It should be voluntary, like it once was, and on a case-by-case basis. Not compulsary.

"It is bad form for the ruling class to tax the poor, directly or otherwise."

As you so well stated, everyone should get taxed at the same rate. Which is it?

While you are at it, define "the poor."

[RAT Patrol]

We are already paying for the kid to go to school. The cost of a voucher is actually less than the cost of public education.

[SUSSA]

It was funny. Rush was speechless. When he stammered and said to the guy, “I thought you said he is a great leader for caving in on this.” And the poor soul said “Yes that’s right, he is.” I was in tears. I almost spit my coffee on the computer laughing at the guy. Then it dawned on me; this guy is serious and he thinks he is a conservative. Then things weren’t funny any more.