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To: Lael; All
And, until you have lived here, you DON'T even begin to comprehend the Wildlife situation. Don't let the harsh Sonoran Desert fool you...Mountain Lions regularly wander into Phoenix and other Valley cities from the Desert, not to mention the Bobcats, Coyotes, foxes, and yes, Deer (Mule Deer).

BTW, not to excuse O'Brien, but merely to point out that The Valley of the Sun literally crawls with Wildlife, and I am NOT refering to Scorpions, Gila Monsters, and Snakes, of which we also have an abundance.

I apologize to all for my poor Phraseology.

I am NOT putting Bishop O'Brien among "wildlife".

I am merely saying that in view of the actual wildlife present here, his claim that he might have struck a deer is not far fetched. In fact, that car looks like a Deer Strike, where the deer flips axially and the hoofs penetrate the Windshield.

Since most cities have 'strip annexed' way beyond the built up areas, The Department of Game and Fish no longer surveys there. Truth be known, there are Deer and Mountain Lions in most Valley Cities, with the exception of Tempe.

The area involved, 19th Avenue and Glendale, is a stone's throw from Moon Valley, which loosely connects Camelback Mountain, Lookout Mountain, Squaw Peak, Tapitio Cliffs, North Mountain, Union Hills, etc. It looks built up, but headquarters of Arizona Game and Fish is located on Greenway Road near 19th, a stone's throw from where the accident took place.

Look, most people who have lived here a while have seen more wildlife in a few years than most Americans will see in their lifetimes. That is the Paradox...a Desert with more animals that a Jungle!!!

312 posted on 06/17/2003 7:51:31 AM PDT by Lael (Well, I Guess he DIDN'T go wobbly in the legs!! Now, "W", lets do the REST of the AXIS of EVIL!!)
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To: Lael
There ain't no deer running around at 19th and Glendale..that has been urban since the 1950s (and farmland before that)
324 posted on 06/17/2003 11:03:12 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: Lael
Deer at 19th Ave and Glendale? Sheesh. More likely it was the return of the "Phoenix Lights".

The "I thought I hit a dog" lie become the standard excuse after the Scottsdale hit and run about 10 or 12 years ago. It's wearing a little thin.

329 posted on 06/17/2003 1:20:56 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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