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North’s air cargo: missiles (N. Korea now sends missiles to Iran by air)
JoongAng Daily ^
| 06/16/03
| Lee Chul-hee
Posted on 06/16/2003 2:51:17 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Re #1
Under the surface, Iran and N. Korea are furiously working together.
To: TigerLikesRooster
China, our buddies, I just can't get over what our trade dollars buy us.
Have we gotten one single benefit out of the trade we have gifted them? Oh yes I guess we did get our plane back in pieces when that Russian aircraft dropped it off.
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posted on
06/16/2003 2:59:26 AM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(France: Where your father went to win their freedom, so they could deficate on his memory & sacrific)
To: TigerLikesRooster
Yep! And I think China is right in it with them. I think China gifted NK with nukes.
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posted on
06/16/2003 3:00:49 AM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(France: Walk on in and take it for a test drive.)
To: DoughtyOne
Re #4
China should shut down any air traffic into and out of N. Korea. It should hurry or things could run out of control.
To: TigerLikesRooster
U.S. intelligence sources said yesterday...
For dependability, IMHO, that might as well say, "Scott Ritter said yesterday...". Quite frankly, I'm starting to wonder about Clinton's aspirin factory bombing. For all he might have known, he was bombing Chaos headquarters (I've been watching 'Get Smart'). What to believe, what to believe.
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posted on
06/16/2003 3:30:02 AM PDT
by
KCmark
(I am NOT a partisan.)
To: TigerLikesRooster
Under the surface, Iran and N. Korea are furiously working together. Maybe even on top, too.
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posted on
06/16/2003 5:22:25 AM PDT
by
Amelia
To: DoughtyOne
Have we gotten one single benefit out of the trade we have gifted them?Supposedly we're helping the people improve their standard of living so that they can eventually throw off their oppressive government or something like that -- I sure hope they do it in time!
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posted on
06/16/2003 5:24:16 AM PDT
by
Amelia
To: Amelia
Have we gotten one single benefit out of the trade we have gifted them?Ok. I've started a business using an anvil I bought from Harbor Freight (Cheep Charlie Chinese "steel"). I buy steel from Texas Industries which employs 1500 people in Midlothian, Texas. I buy blacksmith coal which comes from mines in the Virginias. I had to build a studio out of steel and concrete, employing a crew of 5 Texans for several months. They used thousands of Radnor welding rods.....from Radnor PA.
I tell you this because I was astonished at how much domestic industrial activity was really "sparked" by that and was all really started back at the purchase of that stupid, cheap, communist made anvil.
I'll tell you something. American business and enterprise does not suffer because people like myself trade American Dollars to the Chinese for goods. America suffers today because people sit on their asses and complain and whine instead of contributing to the economic cycle that keeps everybody busy. So shut the hell up and go DO something productive, like I'm about to go do. I'm done with coffee, and you've made me mad!!!
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posted on
06/16/2003 6:52:16 AM PDT
by
sam_paine
To: Amelia; DoughtyOne
Sorry, Amelia. #9 was primarily aimed at Doughty!!! MORE COFFEE!
To: sam_paine
America suffers today because people sit on their asses and complain and whine instead of contributing to the economic cycle that keeps everybody busy. So shut the hell up and go DO something productive, like I'm about to go do. I'm done with coffee, and you've made me mad!!"
I like this point as it seems that many of today's yutes have no idea that capitalism is what makes our world go round. Its like money grows on trees, man.
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posted on
06/16/2003 6:58:07 AM PDT
by
Helms
(Springer-Geraldo Ticket in 2008 (Hows That for an Appetite For Destruction ?))
To: TigerLikesRooster
"(N. Korea now sends missiles to Iran by air)"
So why dont we send them a few of our own through the air?
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posted on
06/16/2003 7:33:58 AM PDT
by
Enemy Of The State
(Common sense is instinct, and enough of it is genius.)
To: sam_paine
I tell you this because I was astonished at how much domestic industrial activity was really "sparked" by that and was all really started back at the purchase of that stupid, cheap, communist made anvil. ...American business and enterprise does not suffer because people like myself trade American Dollars to the Chinese for goods. America suffers today because people sit on their asses and complain and whine instead of contributing to the economic cycle that keeps everybody busy. So shut the hell up and go DO something productive, like I'm about to go do...
Good story, and good point!
I've got some fresh coffee here if you need a little more. ;-)
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posted on
06/16/2003 7:36:29 AM PDT
by
Amelia
To: sam_paine
LMAO Sam, if that's what you believe, you're welcome to that concept. It seems you think we close up factory after factory here so Chinese can be employed to spark employment in our nation. Problem is, most of the re-employment is in service jobs, the lowest end of the spectrum.
Thanks for the comments. Hope you enjoyed your coffee.
To: TigerLikesRooster
And we just keep on taking to them.time to stop taking and take action befor it to late
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posted on
06/16/2003 2:06:42 PM PDT
by
certify
To: All
One of Chinas biggest conglomerates, China North Industries Corp. (Norinco), was hit with an unprecedented two-year ban on exports to the US That will affect at least $100 million in goods annually and possibly close to half a billion dollars if US Customs can identify all of Norincoos subsidiaries.
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posted on
06/16/2003 2:19:02 PM PDT
by
anglian
To: All
The sanctions followed two stern messages the State Department sent to Beijing last year, warning Norinco Chinas premier arms manufacturer to stop selling rocket fuel and missile components to the Shahid Hemmat Industrial Group, the Iranian government agency in charge of developing and producing ballistic missiles. But, after years of toothless sanctions, the Chinese Foreign Ministry apparently believed they had little to fear and ignored the warnings.
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posted on
06/16/2003 2:21:24 PM PDT
by
anglian
To: DoughtyOne
It seems you think we close up factory after factory here so Chinese can be employed to spark employment in our nation. Does it seem to you that we are choosing to close US factories, Doubty? Who is we??
Factory CEOs/owners/shareholders are making those decisions, as they should.
Let me frame this in a tax-morality light. It's interesting to ask what maximum percentage the government should be allowed to take of your income: 38%? 50%? Why not 100%?
So let's ask: "How much imports should "we" be allowed? 62%? 50.000%? 0%?"
Once we get to 50%, or "ZERO" trade deficit, should "we" close the borders? Who decides what value of exported steel vs. imported textiles is a "fair" trade? The government? Or the buyers?
What boundaries should be protected? Should Rhode Island be protected from Oklahoma oil fields? Should Kansas be protected from California's semiconductor exports? Why should Mike Dell and Carly Fiorina be allowed to transfer most of America's PC development jobs to Austin and Houston? It's not fair to the Gateway folks who lost their jobs in Sioux City, South Dakota!
And then, why should cities not be protected? Should Corsicana, Texas withhold fruitcake exports to Seattle until Starbucks agrees to drop its prices for Joe?
[Enjoying more coffee this morning, thankyouverymuch!]
To: sam_paine
IMO there are two problems with the trade you seem to think is appropriate.
Number one, the US represents less than 5% of the world's populace. If the rest of the world operated on the same relative wealth status the US did, I might not object as stridently to the international trade we are persuing. But it doesn't.
We are taking a one gallon bucket full of water, attaching it to a 50 gallon barrel with a hose, and wondering why the barrel isn't impacted more, and the bucket so empty. Essentially we have deflated our bucket. The downward pressure on jobs and salaries in the US is enormous. Couple this with the pressures of illegal immigration and H1-B and other visas, salaries in the US were bound to stagnate.
I don't like unions. I think they've had a bad impact on our nation's ability to compete. On the other end of the spectrum I think it's fair to say that we've gone to the extreme in the other direction.
There are other comments I could make along these lines, but I'm sure you've heard them all before.
The second problem I see is dealing with communist states like China. Why of all nations did we choose to prop up an economicly stagnant rogue nation like that? IMO we have sponsored a state that is destabalizing the word. I can't buy into that.
To: sam_paine
P.S. Thanks for your comments.
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