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To: sergeantdave
I'd recommend reading the following: "The Green Wing of the Nazi Party and its Historical Antecedents," by Peter Staudenmaier.
I'll check it out after all the posts to my appearantly ignorant post come in.

We are seeing control of our property here in America under the misapplication of environmental laws. And yes, this practice is fascism. It's efficient in that the owner of the property is given the illusion of ownership while under the de facto control of the state.
Yes, I aggree 100% that is how facism works. One thing that's bugging me: you don't think that all enviromental legislation is facism do you? Is any regualtion of industry facism?

Calling Nazis "right wing" is nothing more than a ploy by the communists to divorce themselves from their ideological Marxist twin brother - Adolph Hitler.
I agree these people have something in common. Funny how they enjoy beating each other up when ever they have the chance. I doubt that "right wing" tag on Nazis is part of some commi conspiracy. Nazis were the result of the German Right loosing faith in democracy and buying into a bunch of bull crap. I understand it may be insulting to be associated with them. I doubt there are any people on this site that call themsleves "right" and have lost faith in democracy and would want some kind of one party dictatorship. There are probably still left wing nuts who might.

33 posted on 06/16/2003 7:27:57 AM PDT by Lefty-NiceGuy
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To: Lefty-NiceGuy
>>>>I doubt that "right wing" tag on Nazis is part of some commi conspiracy.<<<<

You would be incorrect. The communists hung this label on the Nazi's. You may also want to check out "The Faces of Janus" which delves extensively into the history of Fascism, Marxism, and National Socialism, and how these ideologies agitated against the other.
36 posted on 06/16/2003 7:33:13 AM PDT by Archimedes2000
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To: Lefty-NiceGuy
One thing that's bugging me: you don't think that all enviromental legislation is facism do you? Is any regualtion of industry facism? Of course government can regulate an industry. Government regulated industry by telling them they couldn't use slaves as a labor force. There are hundreds of other ways government can regulate industry.

As for environmental regulations carried out by hordes of Washington bureaucrats, I believe the answer is no. The environment should be regulated locally through individual or group contract and the use of common law in our courts.

Here's a true story:

In about 1890, a mining company built a copper mill to process copper. When the mill cranked up and started milling the copper, big black plumes of smoke rolled out over the town. The ladies living there saw the black soot drifting into their dens and homes, soiling their linens, drapes and clothing.

They banded together, marched down to city hall and demanded that the mayor tell the company to cease and desist - immediately.

The mayor met with the company officials and told them that its milling process was trespassing into the women's homes, causing soiling and other damage. Under the common law called trespass, the company had two choices - agree to pay the laundry bills for the ladies or stop the pollution. If the company refused to act, the ladies could file a common law suit in the local court for trespass. The company opted to stop the pollution and within days fitted its chimney with a soot catcher. It was all carried out quickly to everyone's satisfaction.

Under this common law, the aggrieved party controls the process and wins the damages. Under the process we have now - unelected bureaucrats exerting control - the government is paid the damages and can also be bribed to look the other way.

I'm sure an attorney here can explain common law better than me, but common law gives power to individuals while regulation gives control to big government.

44 posted on 06/16/2003 8:23:06 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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