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To: tortoise
Everything is information and no pattern is more special than any other pattern of equivalent Kolmogorov complexity.

No, not everything is information. Perhaps according to Kolmogorov, but not according to me. The 'pattern' in Don Quixote may be as equally complex according to Kolmgorov's equations than a Tom Clancy novel, however the Don Quixote is more valuable just as the Iliad is more valuable than the latest crime novel. The theory is assigning value mathematically and you cannot assign values mathematically because there is no mathematical way to measure quality.

Here are some other examples which challenge the statement that all information is as valuable as another provided they are of equal complexity. Take this example:

1. the lottery result tomorrow will be 04, 06, 32, 45, 46, 54, 56.

2, the lottery result yesterday was 04, 06, 32, 45, 46, 54, 56.

Now tell me they are both of equal value?????? Not Kolmogorov value, but real life value. Or take another example:

1. someone yelling fire in a crowded theater

2. someone yelling hot dogs on a street corner>

Are you going to tell me that that information is of equal value? Of course not. Would the code for a smiley face on computer screen be as valuable as any of the numerous scientific formulas out there which may have the same Kolmogorov complexity? Of course not because information has to be measured not by its complexity or mathematical features but by its quality and its purpose.

Oh, and there is one problem with Kolomgorov complexity theory - it is descriptive not prescriptive. You can I am sure calculate the Kolmogorov complexity of every single book ever written, however that knowledge would not enable you to write a single one of them (It is like '42' as the answer for 'what is the meaning of life, the universe and everything'). The problem for cellular automata is how to pre-scribe changes not how to describe them.

483 posted on 06/21/2003 7:03:52 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: gore3000
No, not everything is information. Perhaps according to Kolmogorov, but not according to me.

I'm afraid that for rigorous discussion your opinion does not trump a huge swath of established mathematics. If you disavow mathematics, then I have nothing further to say because my argument assumes that mathematics is valid.

484 posted on 06/21/2003 7:08:00 PM PDT by tortoise (Would you like to buy some rubber nipples?)
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To: gore3000
Are you going to tell me that that information is of equal value? Of course not.

You presume too much. You determination of "value" is purely subjective, and has no objective merit. Same goes for my personal determination of "value". Information simply is.

505 posted on 06/22/2003 9:57:19 AM PDT by tortoise (Would you like to buy some rubber nipples?)
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