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To: nopardons
It would behoove you, to NOT post opinions based of little to no factual information.

Wrong. One learns, if one learns at all, by debating. Also I wonder if you aren't applying a double standard...simply because you don't like my opinions.

Again, you're assuming that because you don't know much, neither does anyone else here

Wrong. Did it ever occur to you that I post to a conservative form under the name Liberallarry precisely because I question my opinions and value some of what I find here?

Many of the " intellectuals ", throughout American history, have been on the wrong side of issues

The heart of the matter.

Many intellectuals (no slanderous quotation marks) have also been on the right side of issues. The fact is these issues are complicated, many supposed facts are not facts at all, many interpretations are possible and believable. No sources are entirely trustworthy (but we must give at least provisional trust to some if we are to know anything at all) because all people have limitations and biases, and make mistakes. I make no apology for being human, for being wrong. There's no shame in it.

149 posted on 06/16/2003 6:15:34 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
I cite as an examples of what I'm trying to say

1)The Federalist papers and the debates which raged in the country just prior to the adoption of the Constitution
2)the debates around slavery and tariffs 1840-60

In fact, every major issue which has concerned this country produced such debates with intellectuals and "intellectuals" on both sides. The slanderous and short-sighted characterizations of intellectual effort which are too often found on the right today are not only contradictory (rational rather than emotional analysis is touted at the same time) but transparantly partisan and foolish.

150 posted on 06/16/2003 6:26:01 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
You'd learn a very great deal more, by just reading the posts and looking into those areas you know absolutely NOTHING about. You only look the fool, by attempting to " debate " about things you don't know about and adamently state your baseless opinions as " factual " and/or substancial, when they have NO validity nor worth.

No " double standard " in use by me, at all. I know what I'm talking about. If you did, even though we disagreed, it would be a valid debate. This isn't; you can to a duel unarmed and are claiming " victor's rights ". That's patently ridiculous and in spades.

You come here to learn ... then shut up and learn. Without your innane posts, this thread WOULD have been more cogent .

If " liberal " codswallop was EVER apparent, it's you last paragraph. LOL

192 posted on 06/16/2003 8:19:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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