2 firms to jointly run terminal (China Ocean Shipping Co and Yang Ming)

Daily Breeze ^ | June 13, 2003 | By David Zahniser

[AnimalLover]

I hate to sound like a broken record on this topic but, I really have a bad "gut" feeling about this. Since retiring from an aerospace company, I have had a lot of time to research concerns especially since I got my computer and went on-line.

Would someone please answer the following questions for me? Then maybe I can put this to bed.

1. Since China Shipping and Yang Ming have ships that visit maybe once a year and the rest - maybe once a week (I check the Maritime comings and goings in the newspaper), why is it necessary to build this 150 - 175 acre terminal? Why can't they just continue to use the Yang Ming Terminal right next door?

2.When they do move in, how many U.S. citizens will they employ? Will they be bringing in workers from China? My concern is that China Shipping is partially owned by the People's Liberation Army and what a great spot to locate what with all the defense contractors so close by.

It is my understanding that the Clinton's were behind them getting this location after the Navy vetoed the old Navy Shipyard because of Security reasons. This was about the time that they were having all those coffees and picture sessions with President Clinton and Chinese business men. Remember all the secrets that were shipped when supervision of foreign shipments moved from the State Department to the Commerce Department. (Didn't Ron Brown head that department up until he died?)

I have contacted my States Representatives - two never answered and one said that the Office of Homeland Security would keep an eye on things. Calls to the FBI office to voice my concerns were more or less pooh-poohed.

If you think I am off base, please let me know and I'll forget the whole thing!

[DakotaGator]

If you think I am off base, please let me know and I'll forget the whole thing!

No. You are correct.

This is a strategic beach-head in Communist China's plan of total warfare against the U.S. Another component is their already successful seizing of the Panama Canal and control of the Carribean.

Weep for the Republic.

[malia]

bump

[AMNZ]

Shaggy, I think I recall seeing many COSCO containers in port on the south island. My friends in Blenheim don't really seem to know much about them other than Chinese. Do you have any impressions or opinions on their presence there? Wasn't it Chinese that took over operation of Panama Canal?

[bonesmccoy]

Q: When they do move in, how many U.S. citizens will they employ? Will they be bringing in workers from China? My concern is that China Shipping is partially owned by the People's Liberation Army and what a great spot to locate what with all the defense contractors so close by.

A: They will employ anybody they can find. The whole goal is to control our cash flow and politics.

See: Katrina Leung

[A Navy Vet]

I wouldn't weep just yet. Although I believe we should have maintained ownership of the Panama Canal since we built it, don't think for a moment the ChiComs control access to it. You can bet the CIA is down there to prevent sabotage, and our military would simply commandeer it if became neccessary.

[boris]

"China Shipping already plans to build two ships capable of being run by electricity, said port Executive Director Larry Keller."

???

Oh. They mean, they don't want the ships to be dependent on their on-board generators while in port. I guess running the diesels upsets the eco-nuts.

Or I hope this is what it means.

Imagine a deep-water freighter powered by nothing but batteries and solar cells!

--Boris

[AnimalLover]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/890948/posts

Thanks for the reference. This along with a couple of
other threads make very interesting reading. Like I
always say, "We live and learn"!

[bonesmccoy]

I wonder when the PRC will become truly democratic.

Then, you'd see a decrease in spying for governmental reasons, and an increase in spying for economic/business intel.

[shaggy eel]

,,, how are AMNZ? COSCO is to some extent - who knows what?, an arm of the Chinese military. Hutchison Wampoa is another company to keep an eye on. They're setting up major port operations in Bermuda. Travis and Maui will probably be able to shed a bit more light on their operations.

[maui_hawaii]

Here is a brief description of NORINCO, which was recently sanctioned by the US. COSCO has a similar set up albeit still different. (just to get the picture)

Norinco is China's third-largest manufacturer, and the sanctions could cost the company up to $100 million in lost business in the United States, through such retailers as Wal-Mart and Kmart. Norinco makes some 4,000 products ranging from toys to short-range ballistic missiles, according to U.S. officials. Since it was formed in 1980, Norinco has had about $25 billion of import and export business.

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PLA-Affiliated Companies

One of the primary challenges in identifying "bad actors" in China is navigating successfully the intricate web of affiliates, subsidiaries and financial flows that are integral to the Chinese economy. (See Appendix 1.) For example, despite a well-advertised campaign by the Chinese government calling for the divestment of businesses owned and operated by the country's military apparatus in 1998, it is still believed that the PRC possesses an impressive network of companies with military connections that merit additional scrutiny before being taken into U.S. investor portfolios.97 According to a 1997 AFL-CIO report,

"While the true extent of military commercialization in the PRC - including PLA-non-military enterprises as well as defense industry operations - is difficult to discern, estimates suggest that China's commercial-military complex has some 50,000 companies employing as many as two million people. In 1993, these companies are thought to have earned more than $5 billion. Taken as a whole, the combined earnings of these activities would place China's s commercial-military operations among the ranks of the top 100 corporations of the Fortune 500...

Basically the PLA has a whole big network of businesses (which they call "private"). A few years back the PLA came out in some big tadoo about 'getting out of business' in response to serious criticism about corruption etc.

Essentially though these companies are in a huge network and many of them are partnered with foreign corporations. They make anything from toys to TVs to missiles and guns. In Chinese definitions though 50% govt owned means "private".

[shaggy eel]

,,, thanx.

[adam_az]

"and our military would simply commandeer it if became neccessary."

And most importantly, china has BUPKES (yiddish word meaning nothing or none) for heavy lift capability.

[GOP_1900AD]

FYI

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

Here's Homeland Security website's contact URL:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/contactus

They list different ways to contact them.

At the very least, maybe someone can get an explanation from them as to why this is being allowed.

"One if by land, two if by sea" - get your lanterns ready.

[Jeff Head]

More lead up to something akin to ...

DRAGON'S FURY

[shaggy eel]

BUMP

[El Gato]

You can bet the CIA is down there to prevent sabotage

You have more confidence in the CIA than most, but even if they were very competant indeed, sabatage would still be difficult to prevent entirely. I'd prefer roving patrols of Marines or Army Light fighters, which would at least keep anyone from moving anything very large into proximity to the locks and other hard to replace and catostrophic if damaged, facilities.

[AmericanVictory]

You can add their ability to control Suez through their presence in the Sudan and their ability to control the Malaccan Straits through their co-operative relationships with pirates.