Home-schooling standoff (MA Liberals try to get state custody for 'abused' home-schooled kids)

Metrowest Daily ^ | 6/13/03 | Beecher

[Djarum]

"In the end the law of this state will protect us."

Screw the law!! If it were protecting you, DSS workers wouldn't be threatening to take your children. This is disgusting.

[jgrubbs]

I remember taking "welcoming diversity" when I was in 9th or 10th grade in the government school system. It was a joke!!

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Oh, of course. I was a bit on the fence about homeschooling until I heard that about that plan. My kids are 5 and 1. Over my cold, dead body will they attend public school.

[Tax-chick]

HSLDA doesn't have this case listed, so I guess the family aren't members. Oops. Some homeschoolers don't join HSLDA because of their politics, but for situations like this, it's indispensable.

[yellowroses]

The government does NOT own my children. I am the provider to my children. It's not a matter of simply "testing" - this involves the parent's RIGHT to bring up their child as they deem fit. If no sexual, mental, emotional, or physical abuse is taking place - the state has NO business interfering.......

[Lady Eileen]

Adolph Hitler said it on November 6, 1933 speaking about the schools and their indoctrination of the Hilterjugend (Hitler Youth Corps).

It was Adolph Hitler who said, "Let me control the textbooks, and I will control the state."

Norman Thomas, Socialist and member of the Civil Liberties Union, boldly told the world, "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."

"Give me your four year olds," said Lenin "and in a generation I will build a Socialist state."

Lesbian author Patricia Warren, boldly told the gay and lesbian community, "It is the FIRST fact of civilization that-- whoever captures the kids - owns the future."

In his book ‘The Science Of Power’, Benjamin Kidd wrote, ". Give us the young. -- Give us the young and We will create a new mind and a new Earth in a SINGLE generation."

Ross L. Finny, a socialist PhD in one of his books tells us this; "Everything depends on passing out the expert opinions of the social scientists to the masses of the people; the schools are the only adequate agency for this function."

Lastly, the American Humanist Association understands the importance of capturing the children – for they have written: "In order to capture this nation, one has to totally remove moral and spiritual values and absolutes from the thinking of the child. The child has to think that there is no standard of right and wrong, that truth is relative, and that diversity is the only absolute to be gained."

CyberCowboy777 --this is an excellent post.

As Rev. Ray Moore notes in his book ...Let My Children Go: Why Parents Must Remove Their Children From Public Schools Now--excerpts from the Counsel of Chalcedon

Why is abandonment of state schools necessary? Can't we just "fix" the problem of public education with better ideas, more money, more teachers, new technology, etc, etc? More and more Christians are beginning to understand they the clear answer to this question is an emphatic "No.!" State schools, according to Rev. Moore, are built upon a socialist, humanist-oriented model. Socialism, from its very foundation, is not compatible with Christianity and a free market economy. Government education's socialist model is, however, a brilliant means by which to inculcate the hearts and minds of children toward the goals and purposes of the state.

Thus we begin to see a battle line drawn by those who wish to indoctrinate children toward the goals of state education, versus those who wish to educate and point children toward their Creator to fulfill His purposes in their lives. And with Christ, we must keep in mind; there is no neutral ground.

[don-o]

Some homeschoolers don't join HSLDA because of their politics

Really?

I do not recalled any litmus test being required. And prolly the wife and I would be out of step with 99% of homeschoolers; she is Catholic and I am Orthodox.

In fact, Julianne was invited to leave a pro-life abortion alternative organization, when she would not sign one of those "66 Books in the Bible, period" sgreements.

Fine. That was their right. But, I have seen nothing exclusionary from HSLDA. Whatever. I consider membership in HSLDA as basic as medical insurance.

[Tax-chick]

It's not that HSLDA requires any religious tests, but that some families object to HSLDA's being staffed, largely, by fundamentalists, and disagree with some of the positions they take on legislation.

Not all homeschoolers are religious, or politically or socially conservative. I ran into some weird people and weird stuff when I was researching "unschooling" last year, including a few sites attacking HSLDA.

[Born in a Rage]

HSLDA doesn't have this case listed, so I guess the family aren't members. Oops. Some homeschoolers don't join HSLDA because of their politics, but for situations like this, it's indispensable.

I don't think the HSLDA would take this case because it is a family that decided to knowingly break the law. Also, from what I understand, the HSLDA does take cases regarding non-members.

[patton]

May I recomend "The losers," by David Eddings?

[Born in a Rage]

They are NOT regulating homeschooling. Re0read the article. The parents are REFUSING the LAW in their state that requires testing.

Great! BUT that is NOT what is in place in the state in the thread. What the law says NOW is what must be upheld.

Ditto to that nmh. As a homeschooler I don't understand the uproar about this. These people are knowingly breaking the law. What if we all did that? There are other ways to go about getting laws changed...this family sounds pretty petty. I guess they think it's okay to raise the kids to be lawbreakers?

[SauronOfMordor]

Yep, DSS nabs these kids, and yet how many other kids are being sent back to their crack-addicted mothers who beat them up on a regular basis? ....

Could it be that DSS takes such interest in hassling working-class/middle-class families so that their "numbers" will not show them as disproportionately dealing with certain ethnic groups.

[yellowroses]

Is the annual testing of home-school children such a bad thing? I'm not convinced that it is. I think it's a good measuring stick with which to compare against children who attend public school. In fact, I would venture to say that the average home-schooled child would perform better on average than the public-schooled pupil.

With Regards to a child taking tests for measuring progress, I say, NO. I home school my 13 year old son. I NEVER in my life suspected I would do this. But, when 11, he was under such stress (an A & B student) to PREPARE for the state testing, he became severely depressed and was suicidal (sp). Being hospitalized for a week with only an hour visit a day - made me realize he could not be placed in a "slot"... So, I homeschool. My education in public schools (I'm 51) provided quite a solid foundation. There are so MANY aids available (internet, cirriculum, assoications, etc) now. I see absolutely NO need to place my child in compitition just for the sake of measuring him by THEIR standards. I keep ALL his work, keep daily log of what we cover, and have a work plan. I am confident, that when it's time to attend college, he will be accepted at the school of his choice. He's smart, and he has the time each day to think, explore and improve.
With Respect,
Yellow Roses

[Blue Scourge]

When I do have kids one day it will be like my guns, the govt. can have them when they pry them from my cold dead hands. And many a DSS servant would be dead before that happened.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Or perhaps they are raising people who will defend their rights as adults. I believe the law says they have a choice whether to test, or choose between two toher requirements.

Now, of course we do not know if they have complied with any of those laws , from this article. I still say this is an example of social workers on a power binge. I therefore will side with the family , until I know the rest, based upon what I know of the social workers previous behavior in this case.

[Amelia]

Thanks for the ping. For once, I'm speechless.

[Tax-chick]

Love your airplane picture! Best wishes. We feel about the same. The enemy is not going to have our children.

[Kuksool]

{Funny how the educrats scream bloody murder when anyone tries to make THEM take tests, but then they think it's totally unreasonable when homeschooling families refuse to take tests.}

When gov't educrats are made to give assessment tests to students, they purposely make them easy. The more kids passing the tests means more gov't money for the NEA.

[Pikachu_Dad]

TYRANNY !!!

[Pikachu_Dad]

Because a JUDGE awarded them custody of the kids because the parents refused to have them tested.