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Rape Does Not Matter
ToogoodReports.com ^ | Weekender June 15, 2003; | Lowell Phillips

Posted on 06/13/2003 12:08:10 PM PDT by F_Cohen

Rape Does Not Matter

By Lowell Phillips

Weekender June 15, 2003

Toogood Reports

We hear it all the time, "The Clintons are gone", but right-wingers can't get over them. It's acrimoniously suggested that we "move on". Even some alleged conservatives agree, like syndicated talk-radio host Glen Beck who again admonished those who "just can't let the Clintons go."

Interesting.

A decade and a half after Ronald Reagan gracefully faded from the national stage his name remains synonymous with jingoist foreign policy and malevolence toward the downtrodden, according to the left. Scarcely a political exchange on the economy ends without a reference to those appalling "Reagan Era deficits", of course omitting the reality that Reagan policies nearly doubled the revenues going into federal coffers, revenues promptly spent, and then some, by a Democrat controlled Congress. But properly interpreted or not, it's certainly appropriate that an influential, for good or ill, two-term president should remain political fodder so long as the consequences of his policies continue to be felt.

Well, Bill Clinton was an influential two-term president, primarily for ill in my opinion. And just over two years after his tenure ended, it is fair to say that we are inundated with the consequences of his policies. The results of his failed attempt at appeasement with North Korea, the empowering of Yasser Arafat, the lackadaisical handling of a growing terrorist threat, the dismantling of our military, radical environmental policies (causing a dire natural gas shortage), just to name a few, are all little things with which we are currently forced to contend.

I can't recall a single time when president Bush or a member of his administration blamed their predecessors for any ongoing difficulties. This is in stark contrast to the Clinton administration, and Bill specifically, who despite inheriting a recovering economy, the end of the Cold War and a finely tuned military, habitually made reference to problems left by "the previous administration".

Democrats, led by a crowded field of presidential candidates, base their attacks on the "Bush economy" entirely on a nostalgic view of the Clinton presidency. Needless to say, this makes discussion of Clintonomics mandatory.

As for demands that we rabid conservatives "get over it" and accept that the Clintons are gone, one wonders; "Gone where?" Hardly a day goes by when our esteemed ex-president or his enchanting Senator wife is not front-page news. It is not arguable that they remain firmly in control of the Democratic Party. Moreover, the reality that the effort to put Hillary in the Oval Office began before Bill was out is accepted by admirers and opponents alike. The painful truth is that, no matter how much we "Clinton Bashers" long for a time when they appear only in grim flashbacks, they aren't going anywhere, anytime soon.

The release of Hillary's new biography, Living History, and the accompanying media blitz are integral parts of the buildup to her run at the White House, which is just as likely in 2004, as it is in 2008. It should come as news to no one that the portions of the book dealing with Bill's sexual exploits and her knowledge of and reaction to them are receiving the most attention.

No matter what Hillary or her husband might say, or not say, about Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Whitewater, Cattle futures, "Filegate", "Travelgate", presidential pardons, the Lincoln Bedroom or anything else from the laundry list of unseemly events and activities, the line with the American people is firmly established. After 12 years of Republicans in the White House, the Democrat Party was willing to accept anything to win, and did. And with the help of a highly sympathetic media, voters showed they could be convinced of anything.

It is possible that the poor embattled Clintons were set upon to an unprecedented degree, due to the fanaticism of their enemies. But any president that can be named, from Lincoln to FDR, from Jefferson to Reagan had enemies every bit as determined, yet few have been so generous in providing reasons for suspicion. It is possible that even though the list of their accusers and their associates that have died mysteriously, been convicted, fled the country or taken the 5th is staggering, Bill and Hillary may be clean as a whistle, with the exception of that little perjury thing. It is also possible that Al Capone was guilty of nothing more than a failure to pay income tax. It isn't likely, however. But through it all, the most maddening phenomenon is the utter irrelevance of the word "rape" when associated with the name "Clinton".

If we close our eyes and take a deep breath, it is easy to imagine the reaction if a woman were to come forward and claim that some 20 years ago George W. Bush forcefully kissed her, then sank his teeth into her lip as a method of control to facilitate a rape, with several of her acquaintances corroborating the story. Would there be any other story? Would anything else matter until it was fully investigated, with all questions answered?

Taking into account Clarence Thomas' ordeal after being charged with inappropriate jokes and pubic hairs on Coke cans, should there be any doubt? Yet that identical story of rape levied by Juanita Broaddrick against Bill Clinton is not an issue or a story, and never has been. The single question on the matter directed at the Clinton White House was deferred to an attorney. And there it ended. It's easy to conceive of Richard Nixon serving out his second term if the first question regarding Watergate was dismissed with the press allowing it to end there.

Like all others who accuse the Clintons, Broaddrick is shrugged off as a pawn of the "vast right-wing conspiracy". And like Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and others who charge that Bill is a sexual predator, she is portrayed as a money-grubbing tramp, or a bold-faced liar, to the extent that she is acknowledged at all.

Attacks on those who point a finger at the Clintons are expected. Disregarding them, irrespective of the charges and evidence, is typical. But complicity in this by purported defenders of "women's rights" is ceaselessly revolting.

In the midst of this week's Hillary love-fest, Juanita Broaddrick appeared in an exclusive interview on Fox News' Hannity And Colmes. She retold her story in vivid detail, but once it was over, substitute co-host Pat Halpin, Newsweek's Eleanor Clift, and syndicated columnist and "rape victim" Susan Estrich appeared unmoved and uninterested in a story they saw as old and not particularly important. They succinctly reflected the attitude of all Clinton loyalists.

And at that moment I wondered about those infomercials in heavy rotation on radio, instructing fathers to teach their son's never to victimize women. I thought about the slogan "no means no", about the campaign to educate men that "just don't get it" regarding sexual harassment, and about the widely held belief that "women don't lie about things like that."

It is certainly possible that Broaddrick's story is false and that Bill is, for some inexplicable reason, the victim of erroneous accusations on an unheard of scale. But the half million dollars paid out in a settlement to Paula Jones, the false testimony given under oath to cover his tracks, the incessant womanizing throughout his life, imperiling his presidency and throwing the country into turmoil all suggest that Bill Clinton is a man with scant control of his sexual urges. The public reticule of women, including Monica up to the moment the DNA stained dress was unearthed, by his political machine show cold-heartedness, to put it mildly. As such, the rape charge is entirely believable.

For whatever reasons, the Clinton faithful have sworn allegiance to the exclusion of all else. How they reconcile their lofty rhetoric with such dubious character is their burden. But so long as Bill and his co-conspirator Hillary remain at the forefront of political power and plot a return to the White House, we right-wingers are under no obligation to "get over it" or pretend they have "gone" somewhere, when it is obvious that they haven't.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: clinton; hillary; juanitabroaddrick; livinghistory
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To: Dave S
Clinton is running for nothing. He's just a joke that most people would like to forget.

Trial balloon being raised about running for Mayor of New York City. I do not take that lightly. If he gets a positive poll or three he'll do it.

When John Gibson asked Hannity about it today, Sean's response was "it couldn't be worse than we have now". I think he was joking, but I did not think it was funny, as I think giving this thing any morsel of power or prestige is disgusting.

21 posted on 06/13/2003 1:10:03 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: jimt
I'm butting to the head of the line of those planning to piss on his grave, someday. But I gotta say, the Paula Jones case should never have been allowed to go forward during the sinkEmperor's office term. There are other 'things' far more horrific in sinkWilly's carpetbag that should have been taken up with vigor. At the very beginning of the democrat party push for his nomination in '91, the Gennifer Flowers revelation should have pinged a thorough search of his past. It would likely have uncovered Hatellary Rodhamsters perfidy in the 'bimbo' sleaze and perhaps saved New York the embarassment of having elected a rapist's power-crazed accomplice!
22 posted on 06/13/2003 1:15:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
If it had been deliberate, it would have been quite a clever usage, lots of suggestive imagery!
23 posted on 06/13/2003 1:22:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You can't tell from his pictures how short he is.)
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To: lilylangtree
Missed that one. Who is she? What's her background with Clintoon?

You asked the above about Elizabeth Ward Gracen.

The story is that there may have been force involved. At least some of her friends say that's what she orginally told them.

24 posted on 06/13/2003 1:23:22 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Dave S
Regardless, you are correct that it doesn't do much good to keep harping on it. It's not going to convince anyone anyway. The people who believe Clinton is a rapist, believe it. Those who don't, probably never will.
25 posted on 06/13/2003 1:31:52 PM PDT by Pest
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To: Dave S
Whether it could be proven or not is less important than the reality that it is highly plausible, considering Bill’s pattern of behavior.

If the accused didn’t have the name “Clinton” (of maybe Kennedy) it wouldn’t matter how old the charges were or how dubious the accuser. And if you deny that, you are beyond reach.
26 posted on 06/13/2003 1:33:06 PM PDT by F_Cohen
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To: lilylangtree
And more on the Gracen story:

Elizabeth Ward Gracen, a former Miss America and Miss Arkansas, says in an interview with the New York Daily News that she had consensual sex with Bill Clinton when he was governor of Arkansas. Gracen, 37, who had previously denied any liaison with Clinton, says his campaign officials had asked her in May 1992 to issue a statement denying she had had sex with Clinton. But she insists she was not pressured or cajoled into making the statement. Gracen told the newspaper she came forward to rebut allegations that he forced himself on her. A former friend of Gracen's, Judy Stokes, has given a sworn deposition in the Jones case saying Gracen tearfully told her in the mid-1980s that Clinton forced her into sex in the back of a limousine in 1982, the Daily News said.

Infighting on Jones legal team Lawyers from the conservative Rutherford Institute, which is underwriting Paula Jones' legal bills, distance themselves from their co-counsels, saying that Jones lawyers did not apprise them of plans to reveal the identify Jane Doe No. 5 in a court filing. The woman was the subject of an uncorroborated rape allegation against Clinton, an attack she testified never occurred. In a statement, Rutherford Institute lawyers say if they had been told, they would have advised against identifying "an alleged victim."

Note: "Jane Doe No. 5",referred to above, is Juanita Broaddrick.

27 posted on 06/13/2003 1:35:28 PM PDT by cyncooper
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It's acrimoniously suggested that we "move on".

My favorite response, if you can have a "favorite response" to such things, is to ask a liberal who says "it's time to move on"... When is it OK to move on after rape? Is it a month, a year, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, or 50 years? Just tell me when it's OK to "move on" after rape? Most shut up after that.

I then ask them if they've even heard Juanita Broadderick talk of the rape and most say "No." I offer to let them see my copy of the NBC interview; I even offer to make them their own personal copy. All have declined.

Then I ask them if serious allegations of rape are important to them? They usually say "Yes." I then ask, "Why isn't Clinton's rape important?"

I almost always get silence.

28 posted on 06/13/2003 1:37:32 PM PDT by BFM (Clinton IS a rapist)
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To: Ramtek57
I never did see a pic of that kid. Do you have a URL to point me to? I'd like to see the pics of Hubbell/ Chelsea too, if you've got them somewhere.

I'm feeling my way around; this is my first day on FR.com and I'll get the hang of it soon, I hope. Like moving into a new town and not knowing where anything is, and driving with a map alongside of you for the first couple of weeks.

I'm having fun.
29 posted on 06/13/2003 1:40:05 PM PDT by Hinoki Cypress
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Here's what NOW had to say back then:
NOW Calls on Clinton to Foreswear "Nuts or Sluts" Defense, Work with Congress to Strengthen Women's Rights Laws - February 25, 1999

Pat Ireland wrote: "Ms. Broaddrick's account, however, is particularly compelling because... she has been a reluctant witness with no apparent political or financial motivation."
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"I understand why a woman wouldn't file charges of rape 21 years ago--especially against the attorney general of Arkansas -- especially if she's a married woman who's having an affair. And I understand why she has been reluctant to come forward now."
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"... the National Organization for Women urges everyone to treat Juanita Broaddrick fairly and respectfully and to take her charges seriously."

Note to NOW: Ask Clinton to publically acknowledge or publically deny the allegation. Treat Bill Clinton the SAME way you treated Clarence Thomas.

30 posted on 06/13/2003 1:51:55 PM PDT by BFM (Clinton IS a rapist)
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To: F_Cohen
The Clintons have shown the world the power the mainstream media has. If even half of the charges were leveled at George W. that have been said of Clinton he would have been toast long ago.

I think rape charges are the tip of the Clinton iceberg. His true legacy will include murder and treason.

31 posted on 06/13/2003 1:56:46 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: cyncooper
Thanks. Wellstone, Broaddrick and Gracen rapes shows clearly that Clintoon is a sexual predator. Unfortunately, Wellstone won't come forward, Broaddrick denied then waited even though her reasons are genuine and believable, and Gracen refuses to admit it for whatever maggoty reason probably financial.
32 posted on 06/13/2003 1:58:51 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Dave S
If I violently bit and raped a woman in 1978, I think I would remember where I was.
33 posted on 06/13/2003 2:29:41 PM PDT by doug from upland (Martha is indicted and the Clintons still walk free.........what a country)
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To: Ramtek57
If Hillary Rotten had dropped 'Just One Blockbuster Truth' in her present book of Fiction,I might just have gone to the bookstore to peruse the sentence that said:"...you know, Bills been Sterile for years and I was great friends w/ Webster Hubble....he actually is Chelseas' true father....."
34 posted on 06/13/2003 3:29:50 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug, Holier - Than - Thou Socialist)
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To: Hinoki Cypress
Welcome to FR - hope you have a great time!
Xy
35 posted on 06/13/2003 3:38:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You can't tell from his pictures how short he really is.)
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To: Hinoki Cypress
Welcome to Free Republic, glad you found it!

Warning.... this site is wonderfully addictive ;-)
36 posted on 06/13/2003 4:02:22 PM PDT by Tamzee (Liberalism.... the willing suspense of rationality. (maybe I should change the tag now?))
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To: Dave S
No matter what Hillary or her husband might say, or not say, about Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Whitewater, Cattle futures, "Filegate", "Travelgate", presidential pardons, the Lincoln Bedroom or anything else from the laundry list of unseemly events and activities, the line with the American people is firmly established. After 12 years of Republicans in the White House, the Democrat Party was willing to accept anything to win, and did. And with the help of a highly sympathetic media, , voters showed they could be convinced of anything.
Hillary's book tour is limited to "highly sympathetic media" willing to broadcast (or publish) an interview with Hillary which Hillary is assured a priori will include no aggressive questioning on any of the legions of malfeasances of which the x42 administration was patently guilty. In fact I propose that
The defining marker of a "highly sympathetic media" outlet is the willingness of Hillary Clinton to submit to an interview for that outlet.

37 posted on 06/13/2003 4:05:21 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: F_Cohen
Thanks for posting this.

BTTT.
38 posted on 06/13/2003 4:21:18 PM PDT by Cordova Belle
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To: RLJVet
I want to live in your world. The closest I can get is drinking two margaritas.

Why cant you get any closer. Do you fall sleep?

39 posted on 06/13/2003 5:41:45 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: cyncooper
Trial balloon being raised about running for Mayor of New York City.

He makes twenty million a year giving speeches. You think he really wants to give that up to become mayor so he can cut city services to keep the city alive and then have all the libs hating him for cutting their services or raising their taxes/fees.

40 posted on 06/13/2003 5:44:23 PM PDT by Dave S
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