Rape Does Not Matter

ToogoodReports.com ^ | Weekender June 15, 2003; | Lowell Phillips

[cyncooper]

Clinton is running for nothing. He's just a joke that most people would like to forget.

Trial balloon being raised about running for Mayor of New York City. I do not take that lightly. If he gets a positive poll or three he'll do it.

When John Gibson asked Hannity about it today, Sean's response was "it couldn't be worse than we have now". I think he was joking, but I did not think it was funny, as I think giving this thing any morsel of power or prestige is disgusting.

[MHGinTN]

I'm butting to the head of the line of those planning to piss on his grave, someday. But I gotta say, the Paula Jones case should never have been allowed to go forward during the sinkEmperor's office term. There are other 'things' far more horrific in sinkWilly's carpetbag that should have been taken up with vigor. At the very beginning of the democrat party push for his nomination in '91, the Gennifer Flowers revelation should have pinged a thorough search of his past. It would likely have uncovered Hatellary Rodhamsters perfidy in the 'bimbo' sleaze and perhaps saved New York the embarassment of having elected a rapist's power-crazed accomplice!

[Tax-chick]

If it had been deliberate, it would have been quite a clever usage, lots of suggestive imagery!

[cyncooper]

Missed that one. Who is she? What's her background with Clintoon?

You asked the above about Elizabeth Ward Gracen.

The story is that there may have been force involved. At least some of her friends say that's what she orginally told them.

[Pest]

Regardless, you are correct that it doesn't do much good to keep harping on it. It's not going to convince anyone anyway. The people who believe Clinton is a rapist, believe it. Those who don't, probably never will.

[F_Cohen]

Whether it could be proven or not is less important than the reality that it is highly plausible, considering Bill’s pattern of behavior.

If the accused didn’t have the name “Clinton” (of maybe Kennedy) it wouldn’t matter how old the charges were or how dubious the accuser. And if you deny that, you are beyond reach.

[cyncooper]

And more on the Gracen story:

Elizabeth Ward Gracen, a former Miss America and Miss Arkansas, says in an interview with the New York Daily News that she had consensual sex with Bill Clinton when he was governor of Arkansas. Gracen, 37, who had previously denied any liaison with Clinton, says his campaign officials had asked her in May 1992 to issue a statement denying she had had sex with Clinton. But she insists she was not pressured or cajoled into making the statement. Gracen told the newspaper she came forward to rebut allegations that he forced himself on her. A former friend of Gracen's, Judy Stokes, has given a sworn deposition in the Jones case saying Gracen tearfully told her in the mid-1980s that Clinton forced her into sex in the back of a limousine in 1982, the Daily News said.

Infighting on Jones legal team Lawyers from the conservative Rutherford Institute, which is underwriting Paula Jones' legal bills, distance themselves from their co-counsels, saying that Jones lawyers did not apprise them of plans to reveal the identify Jane Doe No. 5 in a court filing. The woman was the subject of an uncorroborated rape allegation against Clinton, an attack she testified never occurred. In a statement, Rutherford Institute lawyers say if they had been told, they would have advised against identifying "an alleged victim."

Note: "Jane Doe No. 5",referred to above, is Juanita Broaddrick.

[BFM]

It's acrimoniously suggested that we "move on".

My favorite response, if you can have a "favorite response" to such things, is to ask a liberal who says "it's time to move on"... When is it OK to move on after rape? Is it a month, a year, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, or 50 years? Just tell me when it's OK to "move on" after rape? Most shut up after that.

I then ask them if they've even heard Juanita Broadderick talk of the rape and most say "No." I offer to let them see my copy of the NBC interview; I even offer to make them their own personal copy. All have declined.

Then I ask them if serious allegations of rape are important to them? They usually say "Yes." I then ask, "Why isn't Clinton's rape important?"

I almost always get silence.

[Hinoki Cypress]

I never did see a pic of that kid. Do you have a URL to point me to? I'd like to see the pics of Hubbell/ Chelsea too, if you've got them somewhere.

I'm feeling my way around; this is my first day on FR.com and I'll get the hang of it soon, I hope. Like moving into a new town and not knowing where anything is, and driving with a map alongside of you for the first couple of weeks.

I'm having fun.

[BFM]

Here's what NOW had to say back then:
NOW Calls on Clinton to Foreswear "Nuts or Sluts" Defense, Work with Congress to Strengthen Women's Rights Laws - February 25, 1999

Pat Ireland wrote: "Ms. Broaddrick's account, however, is particularly compelling because... she has been a reluctant witness with no apparent political or financial motivation."
...
"I understand why a woman wouldn't file charges of rape 21 years ago--especially against the attorney general of Arkansas -- especially if she's a married woman who's having an affair. And I understand why she has been reluctant to come forward now."
...
"... the National Organization for Women urges everyone to treat Juanita Broaddrick fairly and respectfully and to take her charges seriously."

Note to NOW: Ask Clinton to publically acknowledge or publically deny the allegation. Treat Bill Clinton the SAME way you treated Clarence Thomas.

[Bullish]

The Clintons have shown the world the power the mainstream media has. If even half of the charges were leveled at George W. that have been said of Clinton he would have been toast long ago.

I think rape charges are the tip of the Clinton iceberg. His true legacy will include murder and treason.

[lilylangtree]

Thanks. Wellstone, Broaddrick and Gracen rapes shows clearly that Clintoon is a sexual predator. Unfortunately, Wellstone won't come forward, Broaddrick denied then waited even though her reasons are genuine and believable, and Gracen refuses to admit it for whatever maggoty reason probably financial.

[doug from upland]

If I violently bit and raped a woman in 1978, I think I would remember where I was.

[Pagey]

If Hillary Rotten had dropped 'Just One Blockbuster Truth' in her present book of Fiction,I might just have gone to the bookstore to peruse the sentence that said:"...you know, Bills been Sterile for years and I was great friends w/ Webster Hubble....he actually is Chelseas' true father....."

[Tax-chick]

Welcome to FR - hope you have a great time!
Xy

[Tamzee]

Welcome to Free Republic, glad you found it!

Warning.... this site is wonderfully addictive ;-)

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

No matter what Hillary or her husband might say, or not say, about Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Whitewater, Cattle futures, "Filegate", "Travelgate", presidential pardons, the Lincoln Bedroom or anything else from the laundry list of unseemly events and activities, the line with the American people is firmly established. After 12 years of Republicans in the White House, the Democrat Party was willing to accept anything to win, and did. And with the help of a highly sympathetic media, , voters showed they could be convinced of anything.

Hillary's book tour is limited to "highly sympathetic media" willing to broadcast (or publish) an interview with Hillary which Hillary is assured a priori will include no aggressive questioning on any of the legions of malfeasances of which the x42 administration was patently guilty. In fact I propose that

The defining marker of a "highly sympathetic media" outlet is the willingness of Hillary Clinton to submit to an interview for that outlet.

[Cordova Belle]

Thanks for posting this.

BTTT.

[Dave S]

I want to live in your world. The closest I can get is drinking two margaritas.

Why cant you get any closer. Do you fall sleep?

[Dave S]

Trial balloon being raised about running for Mayor of New York City.

He makes twenty million a year giving speeches. You think he really wants to give that up to become mayor so he can cut city services to keep the city alive and then have all the libs hating him for cutting their services or raising their taxes/fees.