Pedophiles Seek Online Support, Societal Acceptance

CNSNews.com ^ | 6/13/03 | Steve Brown

[goldstategop]

Welcome to the next wave on the civil rights frontier. The kiddie perverts are an oppressed, persecuted, and misunderstood minority and this injustice must be rectified. They mean no harm to any one and they just want the right to show their love like the rest of society. Who indeed can be opposed to this? I mean if sexual conduct is an immutable characteristic, why single out the kiddie pervert for something gays can't can't control? It isn't fair and society is slowly groping its way towards accepting the unthinkable. That love has a face most of us feared before. (Now that's NOT me and this isn't MY view at all but this exactly what we're going to be facing in the future. If you folks loved how we've come to terms with homosexuality, you'll find its a small step towards rationalizing acceptance of pedophilia. If we don't have an answer to those who would assault our children, we're going to be living in a different world who knows when. We can either fight back now or descend even further down into the moral sewer).

[Jeff Gordon]

Until someone comes up with a test for a corpse to determine whether it was gay or straight we'll have to accept that knowledge as fact.

Good point.

Since we have only determined the function of 2% of the human genome we really do not know if the so called "gay gene" exists. In the absence of information one must make choices as to what to believe.

It is sort of like flying saucers. No one can prove they do or do not exist. In the absence of information some people choose to believe they are real, some people choose to believe they are not real and some people choose to keep an open mind.

In any case, choices one makes in these situations do tell a lot about that person.

[Qwerty]

"But you never said that to me, which in this case is the only one who counts."

You showed up on a thread where I'd said it. Am I supposed to answer the same questions for everyone too lazy to read the thread?

[Qwerty]

"Obviously anyone does not include yourself as you have never rebutted anything I've posted or anything at the links I've provided."

You tend to post a dozen links to different subjects. Is this a discussion, or link wars?

[Qwerty]

"Many men have attractions to women other than their wife but they don't act on it."

Well that would be cheating on their wives, so I hope they wouldn't. I'm in a long term relationship, and I don't cheat on my girlfriend either. It isn't sex that bothers me, it's the infidelity.

"As I previously said, everyone struggles with something, it's acting on that struggle that, regarding homosexuality, many have stopped doing."

They stop because they feel it is wrong. I do not think it is wrong, and therefore I see no reason to deprive myself of the relationship I'm in.

[Qwerty]

"Please reconsider that if you could leave the homosexual lifestyle, you would."

Please reconsider that there is no reason for me to.

[Qwerty]

"Let me put that back to you. Is a married man who lusts after women not his wife committing adultery?"

Well, from what I've heard, the bible says yes it IS adultery.

Is a man who lusts after women other than his wife a heterosexual?

"Gay is a sick behavior that needs to be changed."

If you think so, I suggest you not engage in gay behavior. According to this post, you having gay thoughts (I'm not implying you do) will still be normal and heterosexual.

"You can claim it's my opinion and disagree, but you would be better served to listen and seek help."

Predictably: That's your opinion. I disagree.

[scripter]

You tend to post a dozen links to different subjects. Is this a discussion, or link wars?

I post related links to the subject matter, sometimes 4 links sometimes more. Apparently what I said was true. That is, anyone does not include yourself as you have never rebutted anything I've posted or anything at the links I've provided.

[Qwerty]

"Here we go again. The information was factual and totally accurate. GLSEN presenters were teaching kids how to do fisting properly, but they're not the enemy."

Actually, I don't feel they were the enemy. Teens who showed up at the conference had parental permission to attend. It was a conference about sex.

Teens who attended this conference about sex required parental permission. Is that something you deny?

Why would you have a problem with a conference about sex containing sexual information?

[scripter]

You continue to engage in misdirection. Everyone struggles with something yet acting on those same struggles is a choice.

[scripter]

I hope you change your mind.

[tuna_battle_slight_return]

"The website notes that "true emancipation" lies "in a child's sublime assent to becoming self actualized with the keen-eyed help of a loving mentor (gardener) who is willing to carefully fertilize and tend to the growth of the emotions, spirit and intellectual flora of the garden of a child's soul."

Translation = Rape is okay. Incest is okay.

There -- it didn't take 60 words to explain.

[Qwerty]

"Some psychologist actually did a study. He found that they actually had been gay and actually have gone straight. He was surprised, he had started his research expecting to prove the opposite. He tried to get the APA to let him hold a discussion on the matter, but the gays shut it down because they don't want anyone knowing this dirty secret."

That sounds so good. But then again...

http://content.gay.com/channels/news/heads/010509_exgay_studies.html

If anyone wants to spend their time and money trying to become an "ex-gay", I wish them luck. I don't believe it's possible, nor even desirable in many cases.

[Qwerty]

"I post related links to the subject matter, sometimes 4 links sometimes more."

Yes... you post a lot of links.

"anyone does not include yourself as you have never rebutted anything I've posted or anything at the links I've provided."

Maybe if you stuck to a single point, or posted an actual argument. I've seen several posters go around it with you.. it leads to more links. All it takes is a google search to get opposing info... but you want someone to link to a rebuttal for every NARTH article ever written. It's ridiculous.

[Qwerty]

"I hope you change your mind."

I hope you change yours.

[Qwerty]

"You continue to engage in misdirection. Everyone struggles with something yet acting on those same struggles is a choice."

Yes, behavior is a choice... but the impulse is not. Saying that homosexuality is simply behavior is wrong, and that's what my post was addressing.

[scripter]

Yes, I post related links to the subject matter. Care to offer a rebuttal you said anyone can do?

And there you go again with the misdirection. The links I've provided on this thread are related to one point and one point only. That is, percentagewise, homosexuals are more likely to molest children. Now, care to rebut that?

but you want someone to link to a rebuttal for every NARTH article ever written. It's ridiculous.

Sigh. Not a single link I provided above is from Narth. But you'll say whatever you can because for you, it's apparent the ends justify the means.

[scripter]

I hope you change yours.

My position is based on facts. That is, thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle. Yes, their testimonies state they were true homosexuals. Now please, consider changing your mind.

[First Amendment]

I'll further go out on a limb and state (hopefully appropo) that saying sodomy is just plain disgusting is not bigotry.

Sniff, sniff, sniff. I am begining to smell the scent of bigotry.

That ain't what you're smelling, dude.

(TOO easy! LOL!)

[scripter]

Yes, behavior is a choice... but the impulse is not. Saying that homosexuality is simply behavior is wrong, and that's what my post was addressing

Yes, in an attempt at misdirection you tried to change the subject. I said homosexual behavior is a choice.

Again, many men are attracted to women not their wife. Acting on that attraction is behavior and that behavior is a choice. Acting out homosexual behavior results in severe health hazards. Sorry, most of my links are regarding homosexual men. Oh yeah, don't say the Family Policy Network is biased. Check out their data sources.