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To: Buckeroo
As usual you think that politicians run this nation. They don't. Abraham Lincoln put it in words even a Buckeroo should be able to understand. This is a nation of the people, by the people, and for the people. Bush will do whatever a clear majority of Americans want done. And a lot of that you will not like. If you are not actively involved in one of the two major parties you have only your self to blame for that fact.

If we have a Democrat president,congress and judiciary, they will do what the combination of most centrists and left want done. They don't do all the left wants done because they can't get the center to go along with it. And to get a majority they need a bunch of center support.

If we have a Republican president,congress and judiciary, they will do what the combination of the centrists and Right want done. They don't do all the Right wants done because they can't get the Center to go along with it.

The far right and the far left get very little of what they want. People like you on the right and people like Nader on the left get very little of what they want. They represent 6 percent of the voters and are split 3 percent on the right and 3 percent on the left.They balance each other out. The point Jim was making is that with the Democrats in power not only will you not get what you want, you will get a giant amount of what you don't want.

There is only one way to success in changing the USA. Since shortly after this nation was formed, it has been a two party nation. There have been a total of 5 major parties... but only 2 have ever been dominate at the same time. For the last 147 years those two parties have been the Republican and the Democratic party. These two parties have spent the last 147 years making the laws so only they can control our government.

That leaves only one rational choice for all who want to change America's direction. That is join one of the parties and work to change that party to your views.

They call our elected officials public servants. They are not public rulers. This nation is a nation of majority rule. Democrats try to take the left base, and add to it enough from the center to make a majority. Since the center voters are the only ones that switch sides, they have a lot of power. If Bush wants to get re-elected he must bend to their will. For a Democrat to win he must put together his Leftist base with enough of the Center to win the contest. Again the Center had a lot of power. They decide every race. So both parties will try to please the center and the side that gets the centrist votes wins.

The problem is nominations. The left picks the Democrat and the right picks the Republican nominee. Thus bush has a big advantage in 2004. The Democrat Candidates for the nomination must appeal to the leftist base to win the nomination. What that base wants most does not play well with the center. Bush has the nomination sewed up so he does not have to pander to the right. He can work on getting the Centers votes. This time only after he has won the nomination can a Democrat try to run to the center.

In 147 years neither the Democrats or the Republicans have ever achieved political dominance. That is there has never been a time when one party has more than 50 percent of the voters as members of their party. At the hight of liberalism in the 20th century the Democrats only had a little over 40 percent of the voters. They still needed a lot of centrist support to win.

A lot of people think a right wing candidate can be elected. But that only happens in conservative states. Left wing candidates only get elected in leftist states.

People vote for candidates with whom they agree. A pure left candidate or pure right candidate has no more chance of getting elected president of the USA than Monica has of becoming Bill Clinton's wife.

People vote for the candidate they most agree with. Both parties candidates have to align with the swing voters. That means the CENTER.

The only chance the right has is to move the nation as a whole to the right. That means getting into both parties and moving the voting public to the right.

What many people on this site are looking for is a bold principled leader to lead the way. Bold principled leaders are Hitler and Stalin. What we have in the United States are public servants. They run for office and then do what a majority wants...or else. Politicians don't like the OR ELSE.

What needs to be done is move the voters to the right and both parties will cater to their desires.

What part of this is a nation of the people, by the people and for the people confuses you most?


905 posted on 06/15/2003 12:49:10 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
"This is a nation of the people, by the people, and for the people. Bush will do whatever a clear majority of Americans want done. And a lot of that you will not like." --
--- "This nation is a nation of majority rule."

Well put, 'Tator'.. You have clearly stated what most of the voting public believes. - And, - is totally wrong about.
We are still a constitutional republic, no matter how many fools think otherwise.

What many people on this site are looking for is a bold principled leader to lead the way. Bold principled leaders are Hitler and Stalin.
What we have in the United States are public servants. They run for office and then do what a majority wants...or else. Politicians don't like the OR ELSE.
What part of this is a nation of the people, by the people and for the people confuses you most?

Opinions like yours ~bother~ me a lot, tator, but the political confusion is all yours, - in my view ..

906 posted on 06/15/2003 1:15:20 PM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: Common Tator
I don't know how to quite answer your post#905. Its as though you read a "Politics for Dummies" book without understanding the core of American government based upon the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Our nation is not a democracy, contrary to your early statements. Our nation is not about political parties contrary to your statements. Our nation was built upon individual liberties, freedoms and rights ... and the Constitution guarantees protection from government intrusion about our dignities; hence our republic was born.

But the fact that you buy off on a century and a half of republican/democrat political party squandering of our republic foundations that is not written into the Constitution reflects everything about your enthusiasm to restore the Constitution. All you are doing is saying that you believe in pragmatic or empirical guidelines by some of the world's greatest a**-h***s that America has ever produced to destroy our great nation.

You have no historical knowledge about the foundations of our once great nation, sir. Indeed, your post appears to be written by the almost daily talking heads that chat upon the popular media airwaves of ABC,CBS,FOX,NBC and CNN.

I will think more about your post#905 and respond; you obviously put some time into it. But so far, you remind me of Alfred E. Neuman/Joesph Stalin/Che Guevara/George Walker Bush and all kinds of anti-constitutionalists that are obviously against our republic constitutional form of government in the USA.

Best Regards! Buckeroo

942 posted on 06/17/2003 8:05:16 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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