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To: VadeRetro
Neanderthal fossils have been turning up since the early 19th century. There are many, many specimens. Who's running around altering all the occlusions of all the jaws for all those fossils for all that time? What about all the other not-quite-human features such as the rib cage and upper/lower leg length ratios? (Many complete skeletons exist.)

There have been so many frauds, paleos aren't even believable any longer. They approach a fossil with the presuppostion that all life evolved, therefore all fossil evidence MUST be interpreted in that light regardless of whether there is credible evidence that points in another direction.

The Neanderthals were humans. There is no evidence that says otherwise. There are interpretations that say otherwise, but one must consider the biases before believing such evidences.

34 posted on 06/11/2003 9:52:42 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
There have been so many frauds, paleos aren't even believable any longer.

Your allegation is ridiculous and indefensible, but somehow mainstream science isn't believable any longer?

The Neanderthals were humans. There is no evidence that says otherwise.

From A Rebuilt Neanderthal:

The Neanderthal's shoulders are wider than a human's. The pelvis is also wider, even in males. Some scientists once suspected that the wide pelvis enabled Neanderthals to carry a child longer than nine months, giving birth to larger, more developed infants. But that view is now doubted.

The Neanderthal has shorter forearms and shins, a broader trunk and virtually no waist. The rib cage is a pronounced difference; instead of tapering off, as in humans, it is large and more bell-shaped. And there is the heavy brow ridge, sloping forehead and forward-projecting face. Attached at the skeleton's neck is a small hyoid bone, which would have anchored the muscles of the tongue and other parts of a voice box apparatus.

There are instances of fossils with intermediate features, but they are the exception. One such case:

The Hybrid Child from Portugal.

Another is the Skuhl V specimen from Israel.

Neanderthal specimens are found all over Europe and much of Asia.

A regional guide.

Again, who is running around faking all that stuff? Fix your ignorance, then get back to me.

43 posted on 06/11/2003 10:07:49 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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