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Pinter blasts 'Nazi America' and 'deluded idiot' Blair
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Posted on 06/10/2003 9:21:14 PM PDT by chance33_98

Pinter blasts 'Nazi America' and 'deluded idiot' Blair

Angelique Chrisafis and Imogen Tilden

Wednesday June 11, 2003 The Guardian

The playwright Harold Pinter last night likened George W Bush's administration to Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany, saying the US was charging towards world domination while the American public and Britain's "mass-murdering" prime minister sat back and watched. Pinter, 72, was at the National Theatre in London to read from War, a new collection of his anti-war poetry that had been published in the press in response to events in Iraq.

In conversation on stage with Michael Billington, the Guardian's theatre critic, Pinter said the US government was the most dangerous power that had ever existed.

The American detention centre in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where al-Qaida and Taliban suspects were being held, was a concentration camp.

The US population had to accept responsibility for allowing an unelected president to take power and the British were exhausted from protesting and being ignored by Tony Blair, a "deluded idiot" Pinter hoped would resign.

After a big operation for cancer, Pinter returned to public life last year to speak out against American belligerence. He called it a return from a "personal nightmare" to an "infinitely more pervasive public nightmare".

The playwright said: "The US is really beyond reason now. It is beyond our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany.

"Nazi Germany wanted total domination of Europe and they nearly did it. The US wants total domination of the world and is about to consolidate that.

"In a policy document, the US has used the term 'full-spectrum domination', that means control of land, sea, air and space, and that is exactly what's intended and what the US wants to fulfil. They are quite blatant about it."

Pinter blamed "millions of totally deluded American people" for not staging a mass revolt.

He said that because of propaganda and control of the media, millions of Americans believed that every word Mr Bush said was "accurate and moral".

The US population could not be let off scot-free for putting the country under the control of an "illegally elected president - in other words, a fake".

He asked: "What objections have there been in the US to Guantanamo Bay? At this very moment there are 700 people chained, padlocked, handcuffed, hooded and treated like animals. It is actually a concentration camp.

"I haven't heard anything about the US population saying: 'We can't do this, we are Americans.' Nobody gives a damn. And nor does Tony Blair." Pinter added: "Blair sees himself as a representative of moral rectitude. He is actually a mass murderer. But we forget that - we are as much victims of delusions as Americans are."

In a British society where people were increasingly encouraged not to use their brains, the only way to protest was by "thought, intelligence and solidarity".

· Michael Billington was last night voted theatre critic of the year in a survey of theatregoers for the website whatsonstage.com.


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To: MEG33
They cost more per pound than Kobe beef. And it looks like they're going to RUN OUT of detainees before my name comes up on the waiting list.

Just my luck...
21 posted on 06/10/2003 10:16:55 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Oschisms
They killed Dr. Atkins!

You bastards!

22 posted on 06/10/2003 10:17:36 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: chance33_98
In conversation on stage with Michael Billington, the Guardian's theatre critic, Pinter said the US government was the most dangerous power that had ever existed.

Half Pint actually has a point here, besides the one on his head. The US has been deadly to the totalitarian ilk of Hitler and the Communists, and now we're taking on the Left's other dear friends, the Islamofascists.

23 posted on 06/10/2003 10:33:23 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: chance33_98
liberals are stupid and uneducated. The Nazis were regressive socialist darwinians not "right wing conservatives".
24 posted on 06/10/2003 10:35:27 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: Sans-Culotte
Pinter's plays are pretentious shit.

And his son is a soap opera actor. Harold must be driven to drink over that.

25 posted on 06/10/2003 10:37:28 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Plus de fromage, s'il vous plait...)
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To: chance33_98
They have slipped into hyperbole...

This is not hyperbole for Pinter. It is an everyday chat at the level of rhetoric he is accustomed to. He's been been spewing this kind of vitriol for decades.

The good news is that anyone pays attention to him, except maybe the theater crowd. And one shouldn't expect a brigade from Broadway and Picadilly Circus to rise up against the 3rd Infantry any time soon.

26 posted on 06/10/2003 10:37:29 PM PDT by beckett
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To: beckett
anyone = hardly anyone
27 posted on 06/10/2003 10:40:28 PM PDT by beckett
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To: hellinahandcart; dighton; general_re
"After a big operation for cancer, Pinter ... "

Big operation? (Odd usage note of the day.)

28 posted on 06/11/2003 8:22:02 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: hellinahandcart
Applebaum in today's WaPo on the same subject (Britidiots on American brutatity.):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42230-2003Jun10.html
29 posted on 06/11/2003 8:24:32 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Sans-Culotte
It's no wonder Pinter's first wife drank herself to death.
30 posted on 06/11/2003 8:28:22 AM PDT by CaptainK
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To: chance33_98
Pinter is the most overrated of modern playwrites...his one claim to fame was the use of the "pregnant pause". Had the misfortune to work on one of his plays in college - guaranteed to put you to sleep within 10 minutes.
31 posted on 06/11/2003 8:31:34 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: chance33_98
The world has not turned out as Mr. Pinter has fondly hoped. Thank God.
32 posted on 06/11/2003 8:43:16 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
his one claim to fame was the use of the "pregnant pause".

You mean, the device whereby the audience is fooled into thinking the actor onstage has forgotten his lines?

33 posted on 06/11/2003 8:46:09 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (Stop Unnecessary Excerpting! Just stop it, stop it, STOP IT!!)
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To: hellinahandcart
,,,Gitmo must be some sort of fattening pen...

May I make a modest proposal?

34 posted on 06/11/2003 8:56:33 AM PDT by conservonator (We don’t have to call it soylent and it doesn’t have to be green…)
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To: hellinahandcart
LOL! Good way to put it!
35 posted on 06/11/2003 9:41:56 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
So much for the suspension of disbelief. What a claim to fame...

(there were a lot of "pregnant pauses" on Dark Shadows, as you know ;D)
36 posted on 06/11/2003 9:46:35 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (Stop Unnecessary Excerpting! Just stop it, stop it, STOP IT!!)
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To: hellinahandcart
Yeah, but on Dark Shadows it was because they couldn't remember their lines, or couldn't see the teleprompter!
37 posted on 06/11/2003 9:51:09 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: Post Toasties
In conversation on stage with Michael Billington, the Guardian's theatre critic, Pinter said the US government was the most dangerous power that had ever existed.

Yes, I hope we are the most dangerous power that ever existed, meaning dangerous in the same sense as used in the following passage from LOTR/The Two Towers/Chapter V (The White Rider); (conversation following the reunion of Gandfalf, Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli, in Fangorn forest).

‘Perhaps he (Fangorn/Treebeard) also thought you were Saruman,’ said Gimli. ‘But you speak of him as if he was a friend. I thought Fangorn was dangerous.’

‘Dangerous!’ cried Gandalf. ‘And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord. And Aragorn is dangerous, and Legolas is dangerous. You are beset with dangers, Gimli son of Gloin; for you are dangerous yourself, in your own fashion. - - - and Fangorn himself, he is perilous too; yet he is wise and kindly nonetheless.’

38 posted on 06/11/2003 10:30:52 AM PDT by FairWitness
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