'New' Jim Bakker Returns to Christian Television [SECTION 2 PLEASE POST IN THE NEW SECTION]

Charisma News Service ^ | 7 JUNE 2003 | Charisma News Service

[Quix]

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Blessings, Quix

[Quix]

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[gcruse]

Walters Gets the Good Stuff

"Mistuh Jim Bakkuh, wiw youh wife, Wowi, be a tewevangiwist, too?"
"Will she be a what?"
"Wiw youh new pwogwam have heawing of cwippuhs?"
"What?"
"Wiw you way youh hands on the fwock?"
"I have failed.  I can't understand a word you say."
"Thank you and we'w be wight back!"

[Quix]

NO ONE IS ARGUING ABOUT THE HISTORY, GEORGE.

It was hideous.

Actually, your posting moderated my negative attitude toward his history. Thanks.

[Quix]

PING FOR POSTING IN THE NEW SECTION, PLEASE.

[Quix]

I don't know that it was cleaning toilets but something very basic and dirty.

I think the point was not so much the particular thing as it was that

WHATEVER THE PARTICULAR THING WAS--IT WAS TAILOR MADE TO SHRED HIS PRIDE. That HE saw it as humble and experienced it as humble compared to his past experiences.

For many of us, cleaning toilets for someone we loved would be an honor.

[9999lakes]

It's ok for Bakker to be back on TV.

He paid the price and learned his lesson.

Others have done worse and paid less.

[IncPen]

For the longest time I thought him and Bob Costas were the same guy...

[hole_n_one]

PLEASE POST NEW COMMENTS IN THE 2ND SECTION TO ALLOW EASLIER LOADING ON SLOW CONNECTIONS.

Back in the ol' days it was necessary to start a new thread after 100-200 replies because loading and refresh times suffered when the number of replies reached that level......

Now, and for quite sometime mind you, depending on your preference, one can establish a # of replies that will appear by setting a value under the setting called thread pagination....it can be set as low as 20 if one wishes.

So, your reason in creating a new post being "to allow for easier loading on slow connections" is "something", I'm just not sure what it is yet.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

You are elevating the necessary, to an act of humility... it isn't humbling. Bakker may have seen it as humbling. However, I doubt the Lord looked upon it as anything else than Bakker paying his debt to society. I don't think the Lord gives me any particular blessing, because I cleaned the bathroom, today!

[Pan_Yans Wife]

LOL Something, bump! :)

[Dante3]

I would never trust Jim Bakker. He was far worse than Jimmy Swaggart. I doubt he has changed all that much.

[Quix]

YOU SURE GOT THAT RIGHT.

Another point I hadn't thought of.

Thanks.

[Quix]

I have no idea who Bob Costas is???

But I've sure made similar mistakes with people.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

I agree with your argument, if you say he paid the price to society. But, how do you know he has paid the price to the Lord?

[Quix]

I C.

Thanks. Had forgotten that aspect.

Was just trying to be thoughtful and considerate . . . part of my lifelong attempt to

DO UNTO OTHERS as I'd prefer done unto me.

[Quix]

But I bet

IF, IF, IF, IF,

Your mother say had all your first 18 years made cleaning a bathroom a real symbol of domination, slavery, disgust, punishment, demeaning belittling, hostility, etc. etc. etc.

such that by the time you got married, you did everything you could to insure someone else did it . . .

And then, suddenly one day in a spiritual epiphany, you realized through Christ you could clean the bathroom with joy as an offering to Jesus AND AS AN OFFERING OF LOVE AND SELFLESSNESS TO YOUR FAMILY,

THEN

I suspect The Lord would give you an extra blessing for your spiritual growth and overcoming in a stuck place kind of area.

Can you understand what I'm getting at so clumsily?

[Quix]

I think Swaggart's arrogance was much more intense, deeper and broader.

I think Bakker trusted too many arrogant people and manipulative people far too much and once Bakker himself was on the slippery slide of grossly evil doings, then he joined ranks more fully with the ranks around him to circle the wagons and justify everything to beat the band.

But Swaggart seems to have seen himself as his own justification from the beginning. I see him as leading the pack in evil doings and in their justification and in their circling the wagons.

In a sense, I see Bakker as complicit in his own downfall for sure. With Swaggart--I see him overwhelmingly leading the evil doings from the beginning.

I haven't seen anything to really dissuade me of these conjectures and conclustions and very much of what I've seen has just confirmed such.

But I doubt any onlookers really know--but God.

[Quix]

I believe his overwhelmingly different demeanor, attitude, spirit, approach to life and relationships etc. speaks volumes about

not only what he's done to make things right with God

but what God has done within him to make him much more right, inside-out.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

This doesn't work for me, sorry.

See, Bakker got caught, by the law, committing fraud, and was sentenced to prison, by the court... while there, he cleaned the toilet. Okay, fine.

But, the argument that he cleaned the toilet, "happily" for God, doesn't work, because he was cleaning the toilet in prison as part of his prison term, given to him by the court, NOT by God.

I do not know how you can say that by paying his debt to society, he was paying his "forgiveness/repentence", etc for damaging the Church. Because, the two aren't related. This is a duty as a citizen, who has broken the law... NOT as a servant of Christ.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

How do you know that he has made things right with God? I do not know how you can say this! This is akin to saying that "all is forgiven"... only God can say that, because only God can read the heart. That is God's domain, not ours. And because I cannot read a heart, I am skeptical about following in Bakker's footsteps. Those that did the first time, were following, "a man of God", and got burned. No saying, "but, but, but Jim Bakker did it" helped them, when it came time for them to face up to their crimes, and the Lord.