U.S. confirms export case of SARS from Toronto

CTV ^ | 06-10-03

[newgeezer]

But, wait. The good people of Toronto have been telling us all along there is no danger, no cause for concern.

This can't be true.

Where's Baghdad Bob when you need the real story?

[American in Israel]

It seems the best place to get Sars is in the fine socialized medical service centers...

[TaxRelief]

While he did visit a patient in a health care facility, exactly how he contracted SARS is a mystery.

It is no mystery: There are people who poo-poo the idea of infectious disease and there are people who avoid touching public surfaces. We know which category he falls into.

[aristeides]

I wonder if there's any connection between the mildness of the SARS this man has and the fact that whoever he caught it from was asymptomatic.

[aristeides]

Puzzling case raises fresh SARS questions.

[aristeides]

WHO angers Taiwan by refusing to drop SARS advisory.

[Betty Jo]

Re your # 6, read this....

http://www.baycrest.org/news_2003_baycrest_sars_update.asp

Several times I got a pop up saying Baycrest doubted the man contracted SARS there.

I'm not savy enough to get a url for the pop up, though.

So, we have this hospital not in agreement with the Canadian health system.

An example of the fighting that will continue in the blame game?

[blam]

"whoever he caught it from was asymptomatic?"

That's gonna be a problem.

[Betty Jo]

I figured out the pop up

http://www.baycrest.org

It will take a second for the pop up to pop.

This Baycrest case will be a good way to follow SARS and its path in the infighting that will be going on.

More questions for WHO-CDC-Canadian Inquiry

[aristeides]

Toronto closer to new WHO advisory: Agency 'very concerned'.

[riri]

Interesting observation that is is Geriatric care.

My neighbor who has had a fever for over 3 weeks and pnuemonia (whom they can't give a diagnosis) works in Geriatric care.

But, as far as I know his illness has not spread to anyone.

[aristeides]

SARS investigation welcomed: Registered Practical Nurses Association of Ontario.

[Betty Jo]

Canada and America in a blame game about who is causing SARS infections to who,with WHO umping?

Canadian hosptial against Canadian hospital?

Time lost in fighting the wrong enemy?

You know where I'm going with this.

[Betty Jo]

Re your # 13 aristeides

http://www.apic.org/sars/canadianrequest.cfm

Note that it is MED-EMERG.

I cant wait to see the nurses reaction to this in the inquiry.

[aristeides]

Third installment of Taiwan doctor's SARS diary: A doctor's diary: I am not alone in fighting SARS .

[Betty Jo]

aristeides,re your # 6

".....$2 million will be spent to hire staff at Health Canadas National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg...another $2million will help provinces and territories develop a national epidemiology network...additional $1million will go toward the Canadian Instituits of Health research to support reserach."

Will any of these monies go to Med Emerg?

What a novel..Islamic terrorists plan decades in advance to destroy the Western Christian and Jewish spheres.

To do it on the cheap and asymetrically, they choose bioWMD.

The Islamics embedd themselves in the infrastructure of the biotech companies and all fields of healthcare.

They work very hard, and one horrible day we see that they are using our tax $$$$$$ and our systems to infect us all.

[aristeides]

Here are the links to the first two installments of the Taiwan doctor's diary: Quarantined at Hoping Hospital for 10 days, and A doctor's diary: Holes in government's quarantine measures .

[aristeides]

Turns out the "Niman" on the Agonist SARS Board is Dr. Henry Niman of Harvard. Yesterday he had this to say about SARS in Toronto:

The latest outbreaks in Canada, as well as an exported case, are all being called "mysterious" and "unlikely" which goes along with the earlier data showing positive PCR data in sub-clinical cases. The PCR data was described as "weird".

It seems that what is most mysterious and weird is Toronto's failure to take a hard loom at what they have, instead of calling very expected results "weird" or "mysterious".

The PCR test is more likely to give false negatives (due to timing of sample collection) than false positives. That is why I thought it was weird that the characterization of 20% positives in patients with symptoms was called weird and cited as evidence that SARS CoV didn't cause SARS.

Now the "mysterious" label is being put on patients who have SARS, but no known contact.

There really is no reason to think that some patients will not develop sub-clinical infections and be infectious.

That is certainly the easiest way to generate a 20% positive PCR result in patients with sub-clinical disease. The explanation that "we haven't seen that" is correct, but only because the observer has not really looked or dismissed the data as "weird".

The data aren't weird and are expected. I suspect that the virus is quite widespread in the Toronto area by now, and occasionally shows up as SARS when hospital patients are exposed.

The only thing "weird" about the Toronto PCR data is the failure to recognize the data for what it is, a measurement of SARS CoV infections, which continue to silently spread as officials attempt to find excuses for "weird" results.

[Prince Charles]

Very interesting post.