[Last Visible Dog]

Excuse me, what I am trying to explain here is that ID is NOT science. Not an opinion, that is a fact.

And you want everybody to just take your word on this. Yeah. Right.

Philosophy, sure, no problem, religion, hey right in there with you. But scientific? Get a grip on reality.

So you are the arbiter of both FACTS and REALITY. (no, you don’t have a exaggerated sense of self-worth).

Science CANNOT prove NOR disprove the existence of god, therefore god CANNOT be used as a causation in a scientific theory.

A few hundred years ago science could not prove nor disprove the existence of electricity – does that mean a few hundred years ago electricity was not a scientific theory.

No theory of cosmology can be proved or disproved therefore this argument you keep presenting is SILLY!

Period, end of story.

Spoken like a true man of science

If science ever gets to a point where it can prove the existence of god, then hey, welcome ID to science, otherwise, forget about it.

I don’t believe ID as a concept is dependent on God – just design. You personally extrapolate that to God. All that has to be proved is the existence of design, not the existence of the designer. The great pyramids of Egypt exist yet we cannot PROVE the designer existed – does that mean the pyramids are not part of science.

Prove the existence of god, scientifically and we'll talk, otherwise we are on 2 different wavelengths.

We are on two different wavelengths - you have a closed mind and I am willing to explore new ideas. ID does not have to prove God exists – only prove design exists.

[Aric2000]

ID has to prove that the designer exists, OK, I'll play your word game with you.

Maybe the ID is not god, maybe the ID is an alien from another universe, maybe it's an alien from another galaxy, or maybe it's something else entirely.

I can say that we came from the grays, they came down, created all these "irreducibly complex" lifeforms and then took off into the wild black yonder of space.

So, am I gonna look at you and say, "PROVE ME WRONG?" Or are you gonna look at me and say "prove you're right".

Hint: you cannot prove that I am wrong, it is unfalsifiable, unless you can say for a fact, that the grays did not and cannot exist.

At the same time, I cannot prove that I am right either, how can I prove the grays came down and seeded the earth? Hint: I can't, it is unprovable.

It is NONscientific, just like ID.