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To: Last Visible Dog
What the devil are you ranting about?

I have an open mind, I know what is and what is NOT science.

TO claim that ID is even close to scientific is ridiculous.

ID theories, NO MATTER what their specifics state 2 things.

1:There are organisms out there that are irreducibly complex, and 2: There is an intelligent designer at work.

Let's take the first, irreducibly complex, this is ridiculous to me, no such thing, by saying irreducibly complex, and then goddidit, you freeze everything, it stops, no more to be learned. Godddidit, that's ALL we need to know.

Science on the other hand is NOT afraid of saying, "we don't know... YET" and then goes about trying to find a scientifically verifiable hypothesis to explain the evidence, or to FIND the evidence.

ID is not science because it does NOT explain anything, it says, "irreducibly Complex" In other words, "this is just too complex for us to understand, EVER, so goddidit"

Where is the science? where is the "there is an answer, we just have to find it?"

It's NOT there, if ID were science, I would be all over it, I am a theistic evolutionist. But ID is NOT science, and can NEVER claim to be.

Therefore I will fight it, because as soon as ID is somehow accepted as science, science is no longer trustworthy, it is political, and no longer lies on a firm foundation of being neutral. Scientific methodology is very concise, and ID does not fit in there, in any way, shape, matter, or form.
151 posted on 06/10/2003 1:04:59 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
1:There are organisms out there that are irreducibly complex, and 2: There is an intelligent designer at work.

Let's take the first, irreducibly complex, this is ridiculous to me, no such thing, by saying irreducibly complex, and then goddidit, you freeze everything, it stops, no more to be learned. Godddidit, that's ALL we need to know.

This is still your personal opinion. Please show us evidence that all theories of ID follow the rules you created

Your case would be much stronger if you actually presented sourced positions of the ID community and sourced objections to these positions. All you do is state you personal opinion as if you are the arbiter of all things scientific.

It is dandy to present your personal opinion, but don’t pretend like it is scientific fact.

158 posted on 06/10/2003 1:20:46 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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