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To: Junior
Actually, it does. When taken to its obvious conclusion, ID presupposes a supernatural "first cause."

You mean like the Big Bang.

Think about it: If the Intelligent Designers were, oh say, little green men from Zeton, how did they come to be? Who were their designers? Who designed the designers? Ad infinitum.

But some scientific theories are based on the concept that matter always existed. You have the same problem on your side. Either matter always existed or it was created – your theories don’t escape this paradox.

ID cannot escape such a supernatural conclusion, and as the supernatural is, by definition, not science (which only deals in the natural), ID cannot be scientific.

Electricity was seen as supernatural a few hundred years ago therefore the same statement could have been made about electricity (and it too would have been false)

106 posted on 06/10/2003 10:28:10 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Actually, it does. When taken to its obvious conclusion, ID presupposes a supernatural "first cause."

You mean like the Big Bang.

The Big Bang can be explained as a stable quantum fluctuation (IIRC).  It need not have a supernatural cause.

Think about it: If the Intelligent Designers were, oh say, little green men from Zeton, how did they come to be? Who were their designers? Who designed the designers? Ad infinitum.

But some scientific theories are based on the concept that matter always existed. You have the same problem on your side. Either matter always existed or it was created – your theories don’t escape this paradox.

Energy (and therefore matter) is a product of the expansion of the universe.  Physicist can explain this far better than I can, however there is still no need to invoke a supernatural explanation.

ID cannot escape such a supernatural conclusion, and as the supernatural is, by definition, not science (which only deals in the natural), ID cannot be scientific.

Electricity was seen as supernatural a few hundred years ago therefore the same statement could have been made about electricity (and it too would have been false).

Ah, but electricity has a natural cause.  So does the origin of species.  ID is a supernatural cause, regardless of how you attempt to package it.

171 posted on 06/10/2003 1:42:41 PM PDT by Junior (How do stormtroopers use the restroom?)
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