[billbears]

Never believe Kristol, even when he agrees with you. Always find another source. That's what I do

Well we could go to the PNAC of which it seems half this administration came from. You know Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Powell, Cheney, and pals? Oh, I'm sorry, Kristol heads that up too!!

So to summarize, to accept this administration's explanation of WMDs, we have to deny the PNAC (of which many in the administration belonged to under the same leadership of Kristol, throw the CIA under the bus, along with even more intelligence reports from Great Britain, and take the administration's word and National Review's word for it?

[hchutch]

Kristol's not even calling it a lie, much less an intentional deception.

He's pretty much saying that Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and others erred on the side of caution - they assumed the worst-case scenario based on past experience (after the 1991 Gulf War, we found out Saddam's nuclear weapons program was further along than we thought).

Of course, paleo-conartists are jumping in with the left to twist this into some nasty deception aimed at an illegal war against an innocent sovereign nation. I'm not buying it.

[Miss Marple]

Go right ahead down the path you have chosen. As I said, you are quite free to do so, even if it is unwise.

Grasping at an impolitic comment from Kristol, apparently exaggerated by Newsmax, isn't really the best foundation for your argument, but do go right ahead.

You are asking us all to believe that the intelligence services of many nations, including those not friendly to us such as Germany and France, along with their governments, actively engaged in a conspiracy, without one leak ,prior to the war. If so, this was an amazing exercise of American power, dwarfing the Iraqi invasion by a long shot.

Go right out there on that limb, billbears. President Bush already has a chainsaw.