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To: Stultis
You are quoting an Eastern European first generation immigrant who openly embraces Woodrow Wilson to prove some (alleged) point about the intent of founders?

I come from the school of thought that the Constitution was a coup d'etat on the Articles of Confederation so your point is rather unconvincing. Jefferson was considered a sell-out by the true anti-federalist of the day and abused the power granted to the Executive branch on numerous occasions.

Your 'everybody does it defense' may help you sleep at night, but it says little about your commitment to liberty.
158 posted on 06/10/2003 8:11:34 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: JohnGalt
I'm commited to America surviving so liberty has a chance to survive.

We're it. The last, best hope of mankind.
159 posted on 06/10/2003 8:15:07 AM PDT by hchutch ("If you don’t win, you don’t get to put your principles into practice." David Horowitz)
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To: JohnGalt
I would probably have had plenty of complaints about Jefferson had I lived then, but his was FAR from the only administration that asserted American power with the use of force, short of formally declared war. Again, with the ink barely dry on The Constituion, undeclared wars quickly became the norm rather than the exception. This is our history, not the product of some neo-con cabal as others have suggested. The processess and precendents regarding the commitment of American military forces short of formally declared war are actually much more ordered, democratic and respectful of constitutional principles today than they were at any point in our previous history.
160 posted on 06/10/2003 8:24:59 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: JohnGalt
Americans in 1787 disagreed with your position on the unconstitutionality of the constitution since they ratified it. That is good enough for me.
174 posted on 06/10/2003 9:31:50 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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