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Saddam had WMDs
National Review Online ^ | June 9, 2003 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 06/09/2003 12:42:54 PM PDT by hchutch

The United States has discovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I know this because I read it on the front page of the very liberal New York Times. Of course, the Times was only trying to hurt the administration. In the rush to Baghdad during the war, our troops bypassed and failed to secure one of Saddam's key nuclear facilities. That facility was looted by local villagers, who ransacked vaults and warehouses looking for anything of value. Many of the villagers took home radioactive barrels, and are now suffering from radiation poisoning. According to the Times, the looted nuclear facility, "contained ample radioactive poisons that could be used to manufacture an inestimable quantity of so-called dirty bombs."

So in the course of trying to embarrass the administration, the Times has inadvertently raised a very important point in the administration's defense. Saddam's nuclear-weapons program contained sufficient material to pose a serious threat to the United States. In the hands of terrorists, nuclear dirty bombs supplied by Saddam could have rendered landmarks and key sites in American cities uninhabitable for the foreseeable future.

And why did Saddam have a nuclear facility in the first place? It was, of course, part of his effort to produce a nuclear bomb. In fact, the nuclear site reported on by the Times was connected to the facility bombed years before by the Israelis, who had become convinced that Saddam was attempting to build a nuclear weapon. Thank goodness the Israelis acted. Thank goodness we did too.

Now it's true that this was a site that the inspectors knew about. That, however, might not have prevented Saddam from transferring the small amount of nuclear material necessary for a dirty bomb to terrorists. And the Iraqis may well have been carrying out other critical tasks in pursuit of a nuclear bomb at secret facilities. And there was always the danger that, in the absence of regime change, the Europeans would have tired of sanctions and inspections — as they'd done before — and let Saddam complete his nuclear work. The Europeans' renewed interest in sanctions was only prompted by America's preparations to invade, and we could not have kept our troops at the ready forever.

Another serious danger was the possibility that, at a propitious moment some time down the road, Saddam might simply have kicked the inspectors out. After all, that's what the North Koreans did. They waited till we were tied down by our struggle with Iraq, booted the inspectors out, and powered up their nuclear program. Had we failed to invade, Saddam could have waited until a weaker president was in power, and/or until the U.S. was tied down in a war (perhaps with Korea), and simply thrown the inspectors out. After all, he'd done it before.

Prior to the war, it was impossible to tell how close Saddam was to building a nuclear bomb. We hoped and believed that he was still at least a year or two away from success, although the possibility that he might be even closer than that had to be reckoned with. After all, our intelligence had once before proven wrong. We had underestimated the progress of Saddam's nuclear program, as we eventually learned from defectors. But even if Saddam was a couple of years away from a bomb, the need to invade was urgent. The point was precisely to stop Saddam before he got close enough to a bomb to exploit our uncertainty about his capacity and blackmail us. That, after all, is exactly what the North Koreans have been doing for some time.

All of this was publicly discussed before the war. Opponents of invasion emphasized that Saddam was probably at least a couple of years away from building a bomb. And they argued that conventional deterrence could in any case keep a nuclear-armed Saddam under control. Proponents of the war argued that Saddam might be closer to a bomb than we realized, and that, in any case, it was necessary to strike him quickly, when he was (we hoped) too far from a bomb to blackmail us.

Drawing on Kenneth Pollack's powerful case for invasion, proponents of the war argued that, once in possession of a bomb, Saddam could not be deterred in the way the Soviets once were. Opponents of war asked why we were not invading North Korea, which was so obviously close to having a bomb. Proponents of the war countered that we were invading Iraq to prevent it from becoming a North Korea — which was, by all accounts, far too close to having a bomb to safely invade.

In two pieces published in the run-up to the war, "Brave New World" and "Why Invade," I explained that the administration had not been able to fully and frankly emphasize the connection between Saddam's nuclear ambitions and the war. Both the president and the vice president did, of course, talk about the potential threat of a nuclear-armed Saddam. But to emphasize that, and especially to spell out the danger scenarios outlined explicitly by Kenneth Pollack, would have been difficult and awkward. It would have harmed American power to note in too much detail just how vulnerable we were to nuclear blackmail. The same dynamic helps explain the administration's relative silence about the barrel over which the North Koreans now have us. We do our best to pretend that Kim Jong Il has not got us in as difficult a situation as he in fact does.

But, again, this dynamic was by no means a complete secret before the war. The administration did include the danger of nuclear blackmail from Iraq in its publicly stated reasons for the war. And pundits did argue about all this. In particular, the war's proponents made the point that, Saddam's being perhaps a year or two away from a nuclear weapon (if we were lucky) made this exactly the moment to strike.

So the failure of the administration to turn up any chemical or biological weapons in Iraq is, from my perspective, not the key point. As I said repeatedly at the time, we were going to war to prevent Saddam from eventually producing nuclear weapons. That fact was known and even announced by the administration, but for reasons inherent to the nuclear game, could not be fully emphasized and spelled out.

Did the Iraqis have chemical and biological weapons? No one doubts that they did. Did they destroy or move them out of the country prior to the inspectors' arrival to prevent their discovery from justifying an invasion? Quite possibly. If so, in an effort to preserve the deterrent effect of our belief that he still possessed chemical and biological weapons, Saddam evidently decided not to give us evidence of their destruction. That was a very dangerous game to play — a game Saddam lost.

But the New York Times report on Iraq's pillaged nuclear facility reminds us that Saddam did in fact possess weapons of mass destruction — nuclear materials that could easily have supplied terrorists with "an inestimable quantity of so-called dirty bombs." And that very real danger was only the promise of a full-fledged nuclear bomb a few years down the road. We are all in debt to President Bush for acting, while there was still time, to prevent that disastrous outcome.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; smokinggun; wmd; wmds
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To: PiP PiP Cherrio
Great cartoon, ehh?

Well, I'm not sure because I don't get the joke at all. Once again, can you explain it?

181 posted on 06/10/2003 10:01:39 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Miss Marple
quik on the ole trigger, like Wile E. Coyote, ehh? I did ot imply ALL, I suspect a few in key positions are. FYI- say all you want about the DU, I despise those people who espouse charity-for life and easy street collect welfare for life programs.
182 posted on 06/10/2003 10:02:04 AM PDT by PiP PiP Cherrio (Kosovo is Secure! -- www.pedalinpeace.org)
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To: PiP PiP Cherrio
That is not a "fact." That is your theory.
183 posted on 06/10/2003 10:03:13 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
theory, fact, lies..'tis all the same in todays world... it the "norm" in this society, isnt it?
184 posted on 06/10/2003 10:04:20 AM PDT by PiP PiP Cherrio (Kosovo is Secure! -- www.pedalinpeace.org)
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To: PiP PiP Cherrio
No.
185 posted on 06/10/2003 10:05:25 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
sure is...NYTimes, Clinton, Blair, Bush lying... it is acceptable to lie and unacceptable to say the truth.
186 posted on 06/10/2003 10:06:58 AM PDT by PiP PiP Cherrio (Kosovo is Secure! -- www.pedalinpeace.org)
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To: PiP PiP Cherrio
Anyway, about that cartoon... Can you help me out with that? I've been trying, but I still can't work out any meaning to it.
187 posted on 06/10/2003 10:15:55 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: justshutupandtakeit
That is a question for you to answer but it demonstrates that all is forgiven if you tow the company line (also see Louis Freeh and George Tenet.)
188 posted on 06/10/2003 10:25:44 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: billbears
Saudi money has been severely cut back. But to pretend that that government controls all its citizens is just silly. How much money came out of this country that went to terrorists in the past? Does that mean to you that the American government supports those groups? Does the existence of cells HERE mean that their creation is government policy?

There is no doubt OBL worked with Saddam and even called for his support against the US. If he could work with the US against USSR then he can easily work with SH against the US. Or is that concept too complicated for you?

Saudi's tried to buy OBL off. It didn't work. However, all the Royals do not think alike or spend their money alike. Some gamble at Monte Carlo some buy bombs for Binny. They won't be doing that in the future.

Hamas received money from across the world until recently even the US. That has stopped and it will be drying up in other places as well. Hamas has been shut down for the most part even in Israel. Now that the center of terrorism has been closed rolling up the edges will be forthcoming unless the Bush haters can sufficiently gum up the works with disinformation and misinformation.

Where do you think the 800+ suicide bomber vests found in Iraq were meant to be used? How many thousands of Israeli and other lives were saved by their interdiction?

Saudi Arabia is nowhere near the threat that Saddam was. It (and its clergy) will change or history will change it.
189 posted on 06/10/2003 10:32:27 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: JohnGalt
Intelligence estimates have been consistent for the last five or six years. They were telling Clinton the same thing they were telling Bush. This appears to demonstrate integrity.

Or did the "company line" just veer back into sync with the intelligence?
190 posted on 06/10/2003 10:37:38 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit; All
This guy just used 'integrity' in reference to Louis Freeh and George Tenet.

Too funny...
191 posted on 06/10/2003 10:44:19 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: sheltonmac
"Show me where in the Constitution the president is given the authority to dictate foreign policy."

Then, constitutionally speaking, who is given the authority to dictate foreign policy?

192 posted on 06/10/2003 11:02:01 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Stultis
If you were a card carrying member of the John Birch Society I might at least stop to listen to your world view, but I suspect, you are just reflecting what you read in a gubmint history book or the musings of some court historian.
193 posted on 06/10/2003 11:21:36 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: hchutch; Stultis; billbears; JohnGalt
Jefferson...Barbary pirates...never sought a congressional declaration of war...

That example has been trotted out again and again by the government apologists, but it is never in context. Jefferson was reacting to an immediate and direct attack on the sovereignty of the U.S., and, yes, 9/11 fits that description. If al-Qaida was behind 9/11, then it's al-Qaida we target. An immediate retaliation is certainly justifiable when we are talking about an act of war committed against this country, and I don't any of us here would argue with that.

However, the Barbary example fails to apply when we move from retaliating against those directly responsible to attacking a soveriegn nation on the basis that it may one day pose a security threat. The al-Qaida/Iraq link was so weak that Bush was forced to resort to a policy that calls for pre-emptive strikes against nations attempting to develop WMD. We can see now that even that may have been a huge miscalculation on his part.

Think of what you are saying: if the pursuit of WMD alone is justification for a pre-emptive strike, then all other nations would be justified in attacking us. After all, the U.S. is the only nation to have ever used such weapons. Do you really want to put the country in that position? What you are advocating is perpetual empire, one in which the U.S. will be forever fighting for its survival--and it will be doing so with increasing frequency as time goes by. In the meantime, you will begin to see our freedoms here at home diminish. Sure, it won't happen overnight, but it will happen.

194 posted on 06/10/2003 12:04:56 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
But you leave the job half-done by just going after al-Qaida.

We did NOT stop fighting after we stopped Japan at Midway. Nor did we stop fighting after Thomas G. Lanphier shot down Isoroku Yamamoto, the mastermind of the attack on Pearl Harbor, on April 18, 1943.

We did not stop until Japan was utterly incapable of posing a threat to us EVER AGAIN. The same has to be the case here. That means we work down the list, dealing with the states that sponsor acts of terrorism.

You would have us take a defensive posture, in which we would have to be lucky EVERY SINGLE TIME the terrorists or their state sponsors try something against us. The best defense is a good offense. Take them out before they take us out.

I'm in this for victory, and America will have to deal with the new geopolitical situation AFTER the victory is won. But the first task must be victory - and that means defeating EVERY terrorist group of global reach.
195 posted on 06/10/2003 12:33:06 PM PDT by hchutch ("If you don’t win, you don’t get to put your principles into practice." David Horowitz)
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To: JohnGalt
Your statements indicate an unfamiliarity with the concept.
196 posted on 06/10/2003 12:34:55 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
If Tenet and Freeh equal integrity, there is no possible way you and I could share a similiar definition.
197 posted on 06/10/2003 12:40:07 PM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Nope. I deny that I am.
198 posted on 06/10/2003 1:14:21 PM PDT by jammer
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To: JohnGalt
Why don't you show me where I said either man had integrity?

At least allow me to defend what I SAY rather than the things you PRETEND I say. That is what I call Integrity, not making up things and falsely attributing them to some one.

If that is your idea of integrity then I agree we do not share a common definition.
199 posted on 06/10/2003 1:23:38 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: jammer
OK. Fine by me. But when you share the beliefs of the Legion then don't expect to be understood as different.
200 posted on 06/10/2003 1:26:11 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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