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Bush's Scorched-Earth Campaign
LATimes.com ^ | June 8, 2003 | By Neal Gabler

Posted on 06/09/2003 7:46:24 AM PDT by eBelasco

Edited on 06/09/2003 7:53:22 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

AMAGANSETT, N.Y. ? Every president for nearly a century has had political operatives in the White House to advise him on how his decisions would play with the public and tell him what the ramifications of policy would be on his reelection prospects. But few Americans are cynical enough to believe that this political gamesmanship is anything other than a means to an end, the end being to effectuate policy. Teddy Roosevelt had trusts to bust and Manifest Destiny to fulfill; FDR a Depression to tame; Richard Nixon a détente to achieve; Ronald Reagan a government to shrink and a Cold War to win; Bill Clinton social programs to save from the conservative hatchet.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; gabler; liberalmedia; media; nixon; perle; roosevelt; rove
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While Neal Gabler's politics are well known, his fear that Rove will succeed in dismantling an effective two-party system doesn't seem so frightening. I'd argue that Klintoon saw to the dismantling of the RAT party, not the GOP.
1 posted on 06/09/2003 7:46:24 AM PDT by eBelasco
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To: eBelasco
This is sheer hysteria on Gabler's part. I'm one conservative who doesn't want to dismantle the Democratic Party. It's too much fun kicking their tails. (LOL!)
2 posted on 06/09/2003 7:51:30 AM PDT by GB
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To: eBelasco; Admin Moderator

LA Times articles need to be excerpted.

 
Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

3 posted on 06/09/2003 7:52:54 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: eBelasco
Here's a new one. Once it has been firmly established that you tried to commit political suicide by backing a Mideast dictator over the President, once your popularity begins to seriously wane, then blame your opponents for trying to destroy you!
4 posted on 06/09/2003 7:54:27 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: GB
Hitlery's present publicity tour for her new book, and all the attention it's getting, is proof that the RATs are simply metamorphosing into a Klintoon cult of personality, similar to the one that existed in Iraq until recently. With a little effort, we can dismantle the RAT cult of personality in the same way. Time for some regime change!!
5 posted on 06/09/2003 7:56:23 AM PDT by Provost-Marshal
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To: eBelasco
Actually the Rats are doing a good job of dismantling themselves. They really don't need any help.



6 posted on 06/09/2003 7:57:02 AM PDT by abnegation (Byrd is NOT an institution, but he should be in one.)
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To: eBelasco

Why, this is much better than "The Republicans stole all the good ideas and left us with poorly thought out positions and unpopular opinions."

Yes, Karl Rove is the hand that pulls the strings of Puppet W.  And Clinton in no way was a slave to the endless public opinion surveys that Dick Morris was constantly providing him.  The Arkansas Love Machine was far to busy  with "social programs to save from the conservative hatchet."

What a lovely, unbiased, newsy piece from the LA Times.  No wonder people place more faith in newspaper's ability to present facts clearly, evenly, and fairly than ever before...

 
Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

7 posted on 06/09/2003 8:01:06 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: eBelasco
This is sheer Chicken Little VRWC hysteria.

This idiot can't say what is the truth: This administration is trying to do what is RIGHT for the nation, which sadly enough cripples the Democrats. That truth should be reason enough to vote Republican.

8 posted on 06/09/2003 8:02:06 AM PDT by 11B3 (We live in "interesting times". Indeed.)
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To: Provost-Marshal
Yeah, but did you see the ABC News poll linked at Drudge, where in 2004 Bush would waste Hillary 58-34, Hillary's negatives are close to 50 percent and 55 percent of women in the poll would vote against her?

The media can put Hillary's picture on billboards from Maine to San Diego but that doesn't mean people will vote for her. William Rusher, an old-timer whose views I respect greatly, said two or three years ago in a column that there has been no potential presidential candidate in the history of this republic any more destined to be utterly and completely destroyed in a national race than Hillary Rodham Clinton, and I totally agree. A lot of folks here have always been quaking in their boots about the prospect of her running, but I've always said "bring her on" and let's get this show on the road because I do not believe there's any chance in this or any known solar system that she will be elected president of the U.S., no matter what the media does or whether she writes a book a week.

Quite frankly, I think nominating Hillary Clinton could end up being the final nail in the casket of the Democratic Party.

9 posted on 06/09/2003 8:02:57 AM PDT by GB
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To: eBelasco
Whatever.

GO BUSH!

10 posted on 06/09/2003 8:03:14 AM PDT by hauerf
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To: eBelasco
his fear that Rove will succeed in dismantling an effective two-party system doesn't seem so frightening

I can't follow Gabler's arguments.

Trial lawyers, federal workers, public-school teachers, medicare and social security recipients are all beneficiaries of institutions with serious problems. Reform is required. How can Gabler be so sure that the motivation for reform is political rather than philosophical or patriotic?

That being said you should be very afraid if Gabler is correct in his assessment of Rove's motivation. A one-party system is a tyranny - or is that ok with you so long as you get to be the tyrant?

11 posted on 06/09/2003 8:04:37 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Owl_Eagle
This ran in the Times opinion section. When I read it yesterday, I was almost tempted to write an email to Gabler asking him whether he's really gotten to the point of just writing words to fill a quota.
12 posted on 06/09/2003 8:06:45 AM PDT by Snerfling
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To: liberallarry
There's as much of a chance of Gabler being right as there is a Clinton telling the truth on any subject.
13 posted on 06/09/2003 8:09:57 AM PDT by 11B3 (We live in "interesting times". Indeed.)
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To: liberallarry
A one-party system is a tyranny - or is that ok with you so long as you get to be the tyrant?
Assuming Gabler is correct (and I don't assume much, as Coach Buttermaker warned) in stating Rove's goal is the destruction of the RATs as an effective opposition to the GOP, why would that be bad? He's not suggesting that Rove intends to make opposition illegal. If the RATs can't mount effective opposition, maybe a different party is needed that can. Why should Rove care about giving the RATs a fighting chance? His only goal should be the re-election of his boss.
14 posted on 06/09/2003 8:18:18 AM PDT by eBelasco
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To: liberallarry
You don't have to worry. Rove can't destroy the Democrat Party. There is a solid base of 40% that supports liberals. It will be hard to win elections for a while for Dems, but they have brought that on by themselves.

"I am deeply sadded" Daschle following the corruption of the Clintons makes being nice and reasonable winning traits. Dems have good candidates available, just not running this time.

Republicans had a similar problem in '96.
15 posted on 06/09/2003 8:18:39 AM PDT by playball0 (Fortune favors the bold)
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To: eBelasco
He's not suggesting that Rove intends to make opposition illegal. If the RATs can't mount effective opposition, maybe a different party is needed that can.

So far so good.

But it takes money to be effective politically. How do those without money or power represent their interests legally if the wealthy and powerfull do everything they can to remove their sources of funding?

16 posted on 06/09/2003 8:29:19 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Trial lawyers and teachers' unions will do just fine without Rove worrying about their finances.
17 posted on 06/09/2003 8:31:24 AM PDT by eBelasco
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To: liberallarry
The wealthy and powerfull are mostly Democrats. Thats why they are losing. People see that the real purpose of Liberalism is to keep them dependent, while preventing them from competing with the wealthy and powerfull.
18 posted on 06/09/2003 8:38:18 AM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: CyberSpartacus
People see that the real purpose of Liberalism is to keep them dependent, while preventing them from competing with the wealthy and powerfull.

A wise man once said, "Beware of advice from the powerful, for they do not seek company."

19 posted on 06/09/2003 8:50:41 AM PDT by wbill
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To: liberallarry
That being said you should be very afraid if Gabler is correct in his assessment of Rove's motivation.

Typical liberal bull from a liberal Bull Sh(tter. A single party system could only exist as long as the almost every voter agrees with the positions taken by that single party. If neither party shares their believes they will form a new party.

Once in our history a single party disintegrated. The Whigs went from a major party to a non existent party in just 4 short years. The Whigs held the presidency from 1848 until 1852. Their candidate got 43 percent of the vote in 1852. Yet the party had totally disappeared as even a minor factor in presidential politics just 4 years later. They did not have a candidate for president on the ballot in 1856. It would be as if clinton went out of office in 2000, and the Democrats did not have a candidate on the presidential ballot in 2004. That is what happened to the Whigs. The democrats did not become dominate. The Whigs were replaced by the Republican party in 1856 and elected a Republican president in 1860.

If the Democrats would get destroyed as were the Whigs, they would be replaced by another party before the next election.

People that write the kind of crap you espouse, depend on other Freepers being as ignorant as you are. That will never happen... Try getting a clue.

20 posted on 06/09/2003 8:53:56 AM PDT by Common Tator
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