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A vast cavern is the stage for tests to find the 'God particle'
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Posted on 06/09/2003 6:11:13 AM PDT by andy224

Atlas holds key to scientists' map of Universe By Mark Henderson A vast cavern is the stage for tests to find the 'God particle'

SCIENTISTS have taken a step closer to finding the “God particle” that is thought to shape the Universe. In a concrete cavern 130ft deep and bigger than the nave of Canterbury Cathedral, they will mimic the high-energy conditions that existed fractions of a second after the Big Bang to study a beam of energy a quarter of the thickness of a human hair.

The vast Atlas cavern, which was completed last week at Cern, the European nuclear physics laboratory on the Franco-Swiss border, will house parts of a giant atom-smasher that is expected to solve the most elusive riddle in physics.

When the £1.5 billion Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is switched on in 2007, it will determine once and for all whether the Higgs boson, a mysterious fundamental particle held to give matter its mass, really exists. If the machine finds the boson, proposed by Professor Peter Higgs of Edinburgh University in 1964, it will prove that the Standard Model for the nature of the Universe is correct. If not, the maxims of modern physics will be thrown into disarray.

The boson was nicknamed the “God particle” by the Nobel laureate Leon Lederman for its centrality to the cosmos. Although it will be so small that its presence can only be calculated, not seen, the search for it requires some of the largest and most advanced scientific instruments designed.

The LHC itself is a ring 17 miles (27km) in circumference, buried up to 100m (330ft) underground, through which streams of protons will be bent by the world’s most powerful magnets and smashed into each other at close to the speed of light.

The new cavern, which will house the Atlas detector for tracking the Higgs and other particles, is 40m (130ft) deep, 55m (180ft) long and 35m (115ft) wide.

However, the proton beam that runs through both devices measures just 10 microns in diameter: less than a quarter of the thickness of the average human hair. Roger Cashmore, a British physicist and Cern’s director of research, said: “It is an astonishing feat of engineering. The consultants were on the verge of saying it was impossible to build. But the Atlas cavern is finished, the biggest of its kind in the world, and these experiments are going to tell us whether we’re right about the Universe.”

The current best guide to the nature of the Universe is the Standard Model, an elegant theory that describes how most particles and forces interact. The Higgs boson is its missing keystone: without it, there is no good explanation for why matter has mass and therefore exists.

According to the theory, the Universe is permeated by a field of Higgs bosons, which consist of mass but very little else. As particles move through the field, they interact with it like a ball dropped into a tub of treacle, getting slower, stickier and heavier. Their ultimate mass depends on the strength of the interaction.

Though mathematics predicts its existence, the Higgs boson has never been detected. It is so heavy that the biggest atom-smashers, Cern’s Large Electron-Positron collider (LEP) and the Tevatron at Fermilab in Illinois, have been unable to generate the high energy collisions needed to reveal it, although they have found hints that it is probably there. This is where the LHC comes in. It is 70 times as powerful as the LEP and seven times stronger than the Tevatron, covering all the energy values at which the Higgs might exist. If it is there, it will find it.

What is more, if the “God particle” proves to be a false deity, the LHC will unlock the secret of what is out there instead. “If it doesn’t find the Higgs, it will find what substitutes for it,” Dr Cashmore said.

Jim Virdee, Professor of Physics at Imperial College, London, and a leading Cern researcher, said: “There has to be something else, beyond what we have found already, that explains mass. We believe it’s the Higgs, but Nature may be smarter than us. Either way, the results will tell us what is the right road.”

The atom-smasher will accelerate protons so close to the speed of light that they become 7,000 times heavier than normal. The beams are bent into a circle by superconducting magnets, cooled by liquid helium at -271.4C, almost a degree colder than outer space.

When the protons collide, they are destroyed in a huge burst of energy. This energy coalesces into very heavy particles, one of which scientists hope will be the Higgs.

As the boson is unstable, it will quickly decay, scattering a characteristic signature of smaller particles and energy. These will be picked up by the LHC’s eyes — the Atlas and a sister detector — which surround the collision points.

The detectors, which stand 22m (72ft) and 15m (49ft) tall respectively, are “giant microscopes” built like onions, with several layers of instruments that track particles and measure energy.

The experiments will generate enormous quantities of data, much of it unwanted. “Colliding two protons is like colliding two oranges,” Dr Lyn Evans, director of the LHC project, said. “You’ll occasionally get a collision between two pips, the interesting bits, but you’ll get a lot of pulp. We need to reject an enormous amount of data to pick out the important bits.” Professor Virdee said that the data generated in one second was the equivalent of what all the world’s telecommunications generated in one year.

Even if this wealth of information proves the existence of the Higgs boson, the LHC will continue to serve scientific knowledge for decades.

“Let’s say we have the Higgs,” Dr Cashmore said. “I’d feel warm and content for a few microseconds, then I’d be asking new questions. Why does it affect different particles in different ways? “It would be spectacularly good to find it — I’m not trying to knock it — but it will pose a whole new set of problems. If we are an inquisitive society, these are the things we ought to be doing."


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KEYWORDS: blackholes; crevolist; higgsboson; stringtheory
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To: AndrewC
Good, does that mean you will not use the jesuit ploy again?

Sore though the temptation is, I will attempt to restrain myself--if I lapse, I hope you will be kind enough to remind me.

201 posted on 06/09/2003 8:15:35 PM PDT by donh (u)
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202 posted on 06/09/2003 8:15:58 PM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: donh
I hope you will be kind enough to remind me.

I acquiesce to your request.

203 posted on 06/09/2003 8:17:27 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
But it is not only space that is "expanding", something is moving along with it.

Ah, if you mean the matter that is embedded in the space, it gets a "free" ride, so to speak. THe key point is that no force acts on the matter, hence it isn't accelerated, hence it's kinetic energy and momentum don't change. The objects (matter) aren't in motion per se; space is just getting bigger.

204 posted on 06/09/2003 8:20:55 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Physicist
It was white, the same intensity as the stars around it, No color at all. The light spoked out evenly, but appeared no bigger than a pea. It happened very rapidly and left no visible trace in the air. It was somewhere around 1979, looking directly upward near Mammoth Lakes, California. It wasn't moving across the sky, but straight at us is a possibility. Thanks for the input.
205 posted on 06/09/2003 8:21:56 PM PDT by man of Yosemite ("When a man decides to do something everyday, that's about when he stops doing it.")
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To: man of Yosemite
Your description is precisely what I witnessed. It was in the high NE sky.

I know it was a star because I had been using that particular star to grid out that area. I just wished I knew which one it was.
206 posted on 06/09/2003 8:26:43 PM PDT by ALS ("No, I'm NOT a Professor. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!")
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To: longshadow
Ah, if you mean the matter that is embedded in the space, it gets a "free" ride, so to speak.

Free ride or not, the force between 2 particles that were nanometers apart at T0 and "light years" apart at T1 is changed substantially.

207 posted on 06/09/2003 8:27:00 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Free ride or not, the force between 2 particles that were nanometers apart at T0 and "light years" apart at T1 is changed substantially.

First, I'm not sure what "force" you are referring to, and second, the Inflationary epoch was so short that nothing was "light years" apart when it ended. My recollection is that at the end of the Inflationary epoch the Universe was something on the order of the size of a grapefruit.

208 posted on 06/09/2003 8:33:53 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: I got the rope; VadeRetro
No argument here. I'm still fuming that the mods let their (ALS and conservababeJen)crap go on for so long then just summarily pulled the thread out from under us.

Fairytales

Maybe someone should ask Vade for the last post on that thread.......after all, it was his.

G'nite

209 posted on 06/09/2003 8:39:52 PM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: Aric2000
I'm not threatened by science. I'm saying faith is something real which science hasn't been able to measure. It may be as real as the power that is pushing the universe apart at increasing speed. If the scriptures are spoken by God, they will bear the test of time and be proven true. As Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." You cannot see God walk into a room, but people can feel the presence of God in a room. Science hasn't looked into it yet, but the power is there, measurable or not.
210 posted on 06/09/2003 8:40:07 PM PDT by man of Yosemite ("When a man decides to do something everyday, that's about when he stops doing it.")
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To: longshadow
Someone explained it to me this way.

Put 2 dots on an uninflated balloon, then inflate the balloon, the points have moved, but the points themselves have not moved, they stayed on the same spot on the balloon, the balloon inflated and therefore the points moved WITH IT. Or something along those lines.

I think that was the general gist, I may have it wrong, but I think physicist or you can take it from there and specify.

211 posted on 06/09/2003 8:43:17 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Ichneumon
Thanks for taking the time for a detailed answer.

Are "virtual particles" real? Or are they an invention to explain a physical event?


Here's a quote from "An Introduction to the Science of Cosmology" published by the Institute of Physics, authors Raine and Thomas:

"Thus the areas of the microwave sky more than 2 degrees apart could not have achieved the same temperature by exchanging radiation. The only answer the standard model can provide is that the uniform temperature was an initial condition of the big bang. This is a rather lame answer, and it would be much more satisfactory if we could find some physical model to circumvent the horizon problem and allow thermal equilibrium to be achieved. We shall show that the inflationary hypothesis provides such a mechanism and it also provides a natural solution of the flatness problem which we consider in the next section."

My questions are "satisfactory to who" and "why not the simplest answer"? Isn't it rather lame not to explain why the lame answer is lame? Maybe you could help me here.

On to the flatness problem:

From the same book and chapter: If omega sub p varies 1 +/- 10^-60 then the universe (or the big bang theory) either recollapses or never forms. What natural constant, other than pi, is known to such precision? But yet this model requires an initial condition of such precision. This very same model relies on the existent of dark matter (conjectured to several percent), uses forces not fully understood (such as gravity and repulsive forces) and so on. It's all speculation. One cannot build an airplane, a bridge or even conduct a repeatable experiment based upon details such as these.

Cosmology is a great fun exercise of the mind, but to claim "proof" based on such speculation is a bit of a stretch.

212 posted on 06/09/2003 8:47:28 PM PDT by Gary Boldwater
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To: Aric2000
Put 2 dots on an uninflated balloon, then inflate the balloon, the points have moved, but the points themselves have not moved, they stayed on the same spot on the balloon, the balloon inflated and therefore the points moved WITH IT. Or something along those lines.

Yes; that's a 2-D illustration of expansion of the Universe.

Technically, Inflation is a sort of short-lived "Hyper-expansion," but AFAIK, the principles are the same, though the mechanism is different.

213 posted on 06/09/2003 8:48:40 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: man of Yosemite
Good, then we agree, god cannot be proven nor disproven, therefore science cannot use god as a causation.

Science cannot prove the existence nor the nonexistence of god, therefore god is outside the realm of science.

BUT, that does not mean that you cannot have faith that god exists.
214 posted on 06/09/2003 8:49:34 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: longshadow
I remember where I read that, it was a Stephen Hawkings book, the universe in a nutshell, he uses some excellent laymens terms and tries to explain it that way, and he did say that it was a 2 dimensional explanation.
215 posted on 06/09/2003 8:52:40 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: longshadow
First, I'm not sure what "force" you are referring to, and second,

Any that we know about.

I placed the light years in quotations, because, if I recall correctly, it could be that large although I also am familiar with the grapefruit size of the universe. The change would still apply.

Reference for the big size

Inflation

In order for inflation to solve the horizon problem, this causal region must be blown up to at least the size of the observable universe today

216 posted on 06/09/2003 8:56:33 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Aric2000
and he did say that it was a 2 dimensional explanation.

The ballon is considered a 2-D analogy because the location of any point on its surface can be uniquely defined by only 2 co-ordinates (e.g., Latitude and longitude on the surface of the earth).

217 posted on 06/09/2003 8:57:59 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: AndrewC
****In order for inflation to solve the horizon problem, this causal region must be blown up to at least the size of the observable universe today****

I'm pretty sure they mean that the region AT THE TIME OF INFLATION must TODAY be at least the size of the observable Universe, which is exactly what 13 billion years of normal non-inflationary expansion does to to the Universe.

I still don't see what the point is that you are raising; can you cut to the chase -- time is running out for tonight's session.

218 posted on 06/09/2003 9:05:39 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: AndrewC
just found the answer to your question on your linked site, about three lines below the quote you used:

"Here the extra factor a(ti) / a(t0) accounts for the expansion between the end of inflation Ti ~ 1015 GeV and today, T0 ~ 10-4 eV."

IOW, most of the "scale change" that they are talking about takes place AFTER the inflation stops, that is to say, it occurs through the normal non-inflationary expansion of the universe, as I opined in my previous reply.

219 posted on 06/09/2003 9:18:11 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
So the universe is still expanding, right? only now it is either at or below the speed of light? Correct?
220 posted on 06/09/2003 9:46:06 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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