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1 posted on 06/09/2003 5:14:22 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
Racism! THIS MUST BE RACISM!
2 posted on 06/09/2003 5:20:03 AM PDT by xrp
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To: rhema
They said some of the same things about Rock 'N Roll, Punk, New Wave, and Heavy Metal. It all boils down to the parents. Children will eventually return to the values that they were raised on. Sure they will rebel for a while, but it all boils down to what the parent teach, or fail to teach their children.
4 posted on 06/09/2003 5:27:12 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: rhema
This article is garbage. Every generation proclaims the death of music and the evils of the current crop of performers.

Parents should get with the program and help their kids make good choices...period. There is good and bad rap, hip hop or any other type of music for that matter.

5 posted on 06/09/2003 5:36:09 AM PDT by zarf (Republicans for Sharpton 2004)
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To: rhema
it's destroying our kids

It's doin xactly what it supposed to be doin

7 posted on 06/09/2003 5:37:20 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: rhema
bump...thanks for the post.
8 posted on 06/09/2003 5:46:20 AM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: mhking
ping
9 posted on 06/09/2003 6:01:47 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: rhema
While I do not endorse "Social Darwinism", Interscope Records (Div. AOL/Time Warner) apparently does find that it works.
10 posted on 06/09/2003 6:14:00 AM PDT by Helms (Jacque Chirac: He's Got No Mojo, Only Hojo)
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To: rhema; rdb3; hchutch
Run-DMC was part of the original crop of rap artists from the mid-80's. They didn't fall for this obscene gangsta rap that is part of today's urban youth culture. On the contrary, their music - along with much of the other music from the era - was primarily harmless, and dealt with what most music discussed in those days: having fun.

Once we got to the early 90's, the urban thug mentality entered rap music. Gangsta rap, which glorified a criminal element under the faulty guise of "telling the true story of the streets" entered the urban culture, and spread like wildfire.

Some petty street thugs and gangsters found a new outlet for their efforts, which led to the east coast-west coast gang wars. Those wars led to a worsening image nationally, and ultimately led to the jailing of 'Shug' Knight and the murders of Tupac Shakur and 'Biggie Smalls'.

Jason Mizell was a casualty of what the urban music business has become - the realm of thugs and criminals. He was on the periphery, and stepped on the toes of one of these petty thugs that is out there in the business now.

Those "businessmen" are nothing more than petty gangsters trying to play at using mafia-like tactics to advance their criminal enterprise. They use violence and sedition to push their music and by extension, they push drugs and promote the exploitation of women. They drive the big, expensive cars, wear the gaudy jewelery and simultaneously give voice to the victim mentality of the younger members of the black community across the nation.

They are part of the ongoing disease affecting black America. And it will take much time, effort and energy to create a means for a cure.

11 posted on 06/09/2003 6:58:54 AM PDT by mhking
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To: rhema
*reads article*

Yaaaaaaaaaaawn.
12 posted on 06/09/2003 8:56:17 AM PDT by jedwardtremlett
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To: rhema
Mindless, violent hip-hop culture isn't 'keepin' it real,' it's destroying our kids

Let's peep the game from a different angle
Matt Dillon pulled his pistol every time him and someone tangled
So why you criticize me
For the sh-t that you see on your TV
That rates worse than PG?
Just bring your a-- to where they got me
So you can feel the hand of the dead body

--Brad Jordan a.k.a. Scarface
All I have in this world...
All I have in this world...
All I have
All I have
All I have in this world...

29 posted on 06/09/2003 8:00:56 PM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: rhema
I can never understand enough of the words in rap songs to have any idea what they're saying. Which is fine by me, cause I can't stand rap anyway... makes my head hurt.
30 posted on 06/09/2003 8:13:57 PM PDT by mtg
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To: rhema
And heavy metal makes people suicidal. /sarcasm

Posers running around like idiots is a symptom of a larger problem, namely the intrusion of the government into their family structure. That ain't rap's fault.

34 posted on 06/09/2003 8:42:58 PM PDT by Hawkeye's Girl
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I don't know for sure about this. I look over my graduating senior daughter's extensive collection of CDs and find some rap and hip hop. I also find a lot of pop and a sprinkle of C&W. I never censored what she read nor dictated what clothes she wore. I did preach the values of responsibility, hard work, and accountability. She has a few flaky ideas but most of us held some quirky thoughts at the tender age of 18.

This article is not bad on the surface but think about it for a minute. One of the traits of liberals is their penchant for being victims. There is always a scapegoat for something bad happening. In this case it is foul mouthed rappers who are causing kids to leap into the chasm of crime, bad manners, drugs, and general lassitude. I grew up in the 50s and 60s and my dad thought rock and roll was spawned by the devil himself. The songs of that era don't even raise a blip on societal mores register today.

I believe, as do others on this thread, that parents have to instill some basic values and let the lives of the young ones unfold. Some of it will stick and some of it will have to be learned again. The parents who didn't bother to try will reap the harvest of what they didn't sow. The parents who tried and failed will be greatly saddened but can take some small comfort in the fact they tried. The parents who succeeded can be proud.

41 posted on 06/10/2003 5:21:35 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: rhema
If they just didn't show Elvis' hips on TV, we wouldn't be in this mess.
52 posted on 06/10/2003 6:30:06 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: rhema
Most rap artists...

Puhleeeeez.

54 posted on 06/10/2003 6:37:16 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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"Run-DMC, whose Jason Mizell — better known as DJ Jam Master Jay — was shot to death in a Jamaica recording studio last fall, was just named the greatest hip-hop act of all time by music channel VH1."

There's an ERROR in the first sentence! Jamaica? Try Queens, NY.

58 posted on 06/10/2003 6:51:53 AM PDT by tuna_battle_slight_return (Foam is good; foam saves lives.)
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"Also ranked among the all-time greats ( :o) ) are Tupac Shakur, Nelly, Sean Combs, MC Hammer, Public Enemy, Notorious B.I.G., LL Cool J, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Grandmaster Flash, Salt-N-Pepa, Jay-Z, the Beastie Boys, Afrika Bambaattaa, Lil' Kim and Queen Latifah."

Here we have most of the *creations* of the Liberal-Socialist left's artistic arm, in one sweet list.

"To the consternation of Run-DMC's Darryl McDaniels, Slick Rick and Doug E. Fresh didn't make the list, which must tell us something about something, but it's hard to imagine what."

Ummmm...I see the "reason" for tanking CD sales; not, MPEGs or files downloaded from the Internet as some would have us believe.
That's *what* it tells me.

"Rap entered the mainstream in 1992 with the release of Dr. Dre's 'gangsta' album, 'The Chronic,' which featured such memorable rhymes as, 'Rat-a-tat and a tat like that/Never hesitate to put a nigga' on his back.' The album is littered with similar lyrics throughout...Rife with the worst of what rap would regurgitate over the next decade, 'The Chronic' was gobbled up by white kids and black kids alike, going platinum several times over on its way to becoming one of rap's all-time biggest albums."

Well?
If it were my express intent to "dumb down" an entire generation of American kids so as to leave 'em useless, hopelessly screwed up & thoroughly trashed when I'd finished??
That'd have been precisely the tack I'd have used to accomplish the task, musically; while, leaving the job of providing any & all *visual* stimuli to my Liberal-Socialist bros, in Hollyweird.
Yup, that's how I'd have done it, alright.

"The album's popularity spawned hundreds of imitators, each one trying to out-gross the other, in record sales as well as attitude and language."

Really.
Who'd a thunk it.

"Many of these imitators are now on VH1's list of rap greats."

C'mon now!
Would Viacom -- the parent company of SeeBS -- ever condone such irresponsible acts of cultural vandalism via their VH1/MTV subsidiaries??

Yea, they sure would & did.

...and Viacom's still doing it, too.

61 posted on 06/10/2003 7:17:12 AM PDT by Landru
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I was just telling my son how much better we had it when we were teenagers, the music was all about love and having a good time (except for a few stupid tear jerker songs). The drugs were non-existent and alcohol was only a very minor problem. Life really was like "Leave it to Beaver".
69 posted on 06/10/2003 8:37:38 AM PDT by Eva
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"Every generation blames the one before. And all of their frustrations come beating on your door."
-Mike & The Mechanics, "The Living Years"
72 posted on 06/10/2003 9:07:57 AM PDT by pupdog
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To: rhema
Here's a similar thread:
Lowlife Rappers Get Some Love
I'll bump your thread on that one.
96 posted on 06/12/2003 11:25:33 AM PDT by Drew68
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