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You keep keying on the 91 spending. Lets try this again. When Canada's defence spending was 16% of GDP we were given the same amount of input as we were when it was 2%. Token representation and no say. Your argueing we should spend more to have no say. Canada met it's NORAD and NATO commitments. We met the Soviet planes that entered our airspace. Allowed you to build basis in our country, and test weapons systems here as well. We kept troops in Europe for 50 years and I believe I mention already how much thanks we have recieved for that. Are you saying we could have helped out more, sure we could have, but we go right back to same amount of input at 2% as at 16%.

As for China being different. Are we talking about the same China, the secretive, closed society that just gave us SARS. The one where foriegners are only allowed to enter some places. The country that kills political prisoners and then sells their body parts for transplant. The country where being a Christian is a crime and you can go to jail for owning a bible. The country that has been buying influence in US government with illegal campaign donations. The country that continually pressures Taiwan. I could go on.

Oh you never answered my question about Japan, all they offered you for Iraq were words of encouragement and they protest like hell when US warships enter their ports. Are you going to leave there too, or is leaving Korea supposed to be a warning to Japan.

Fine. Canada met her obligations and despite her valuable and near parity contributions, America denied her an equitable say in the defense of North America.

Yes, China is bad. Now compare China's political party system and social/economic institutions with North Korea's. Then explain to me why we should have identical policies for the two.

You want to compare Korea and Japan? Fine, Korea is significantly more anti-American than Japan. Japan does not work against us diplomatically in the region, Korea does. Japan doesn't whine as much as Korea does. And yes, despite a majority of Japanese who do want US troops, we will probably see troop reallocations there as well. Of course, we could always offer to put Korea under the protection of the Japanese, how about it?