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I confronted my libertarian friend w/ just this logic, and you might be surprised to hear that he has taken the step (which I had never heard anyone express but which I had always posited as the inescapable fulfillment of arbitrarily picking a date that "humanness" begins) of advocating infanticide as being legitimate. That is, parents have the theoretical (although not legal at this point) right to terminate their child's life up until the time the child is able to care for itself, or in the absence of someone volunteering to take care of the child.

Tha is, if there is a child born, the parents do not want the child, and nobody else is willing to care for the child, then the parents should have the right to teriminate the child's life.

I've always said it was the inescapable conclusion of abortion logic, but I've never heard anyone actually advocate it. Yeah Libertarians.

[sarcasm & shameless plagiarism]

I confronted a pro-life fundamentalist friend w/ just this logic, and you might be surprised to hear that he has taken the step -
- (which I had never heard anyone express but which I had always posited as the inescapable fulfillment of arbitrarily picking a date that "humanness" begins) -
- of advocating the sequestering of all women, immediatly after sex.

His position that life beings at fertilization, and that the state must protect all human life from that instant on makes perfect sense.

Thus, once it is established that the egg is fertilised, the mother must be under state control to insure that the baby is protected.

Then, when there is a child born, if the parents do not want the child, and nobody else is willing to care for the child, then the parents should have to pay the state for the child's proper upbringing. Such are the wages of fornication.

I've always said this was the inescapable conclusion of abortion logic, but I've never heard anyone actually advocate it. Yeah statist fundamentalism

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