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To: Cathryn Crawford
Another I believe very compelling argument against abortion that is that it promotes inequality of women in society. Indeed this inequality was confirmed and ACCEPTED by feminists when they contend that having a child and having an occupation are mutually exclusive (and will always remain so). By accepting that bearing a child puts women in an unequal economic/social position (relative to men who have children) feminists are part of the "patriarchial" system they supposedly oppose.

Many people (sadly, including many pro-Life people) simply ACCEPT the premise of diminshed social/educational/economic prospects for women if they are parents (relative to men who are parents) without question! Even our SC Justices accepted this as their basic premise for upholing Roe v. Wade! So in a sense, many pro-Life persons operate on the same basic premis as the SC Justice who upheld abortion!

I submit the following very enlightening article for proof of this premise:

http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/scotus/art icles/061693ginsburg-roe.html

Judge Ginsburg's critique of Roe v. Wade is twofold. First, she said in the New York University lecture, as she has written for years, the right to abortion might have been more secure had it been grounded in the concept of women's right to equality rather than in the right to privacy. "The Roe decision might have been less of a storm center," she said, had it "homed in more precisely on the women's-equality dimension of the issue."

..... the equality argument for abortion rights -- essentially the notion that women cannot participate in society equally with men without the ability to control their reproductive lives -- was in fact part of the abortion-rights movement from its earliest years. An equality argument was among the arguments presented to the Court in Roe v. Wade.

It was the Supreme Court itself that revived the equality basis for abortion rights in its ruling in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the Pennsylvania case in which the Court reaffirmed the right to abortion.

Among the reasons that Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Anthony M. Kennedy and David H. Souter gave in their opinion for adhering to the "core" of Roe v. Wade was a sentence that could have been written by Judge Ginsburg:

"The ability of women to participate equally in the economic and social life of the nation has been facilitated by their ability to control their reproductive lives."

So there you have it! The Justices themselves have said that abortion is crucial to women being treated equally in society. And many women have bought into this deception. We COULD as a society instead demand that women who procreate are treated the same as men who procreate. But we don't choose to do so. Instead we sweep equal treatment under the rug and tell women that their ability to particpate equally is dependent on abortion. Our own SC Justice have declared it! In other words, equality for women who procreate is CONDITIONAL on them un-procreating after the fact. This is a fundemental inequality which is NEVER adressed. Men's equality in society is not conditional on their parental status. But women's is virtually decreed conditional by the US Supreme Court!

Men are not asked by society to choose between equal treatment and their child's existence. Women are.

I blame pro-Choicers for enthusiastically accepting this Faustian deal in the first place and for allowing it to continue. I especially blame pro-choice feminists who won't even consider the larger ramifications of women for continueing to take this 'deal' over demanding true equality instead. And I blame all of us (including many pro-Lifers) for continueing to uphold this double standard in so many large and small ways. Pro-Lifers are not guiltless in accepting the fundemental premise of women's inequal opportunities if they are parents.

To put it another way, can you imagine that black people would have taken a deal to end inequity and discrimination against them in exchange for the "right" to kill their children? Yet this is essentially the deal that has been offered and accepted by pro-Choicers! They ACCEPT inequality of women parents as an immutable fact!

176 posted on 06/06/2003 12:27:57 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
That's an absolutely great point.
189 posted on 06/06/2003 12:44:20 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up your date.)
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To: Lorianne
Interesting argument.
249 posted on 06/06/2003 1:31:07 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Lorianne
"The ability of women to participate equally in the economic and social life of the nation has been facilitated by their ability to control their reproductive lives." Lorianne, that sentence is construed by you (and likely justice Ginsberg) to mean killing an alive unborn child is somehow a 'reproductive right'. Practicing contraception is a reproductive right, where it is the woman who has control over her body, since her body is the only body involved in her choice. Abortion slaughters the body of a second individual already alive and living its individual lifetime. How is the guarantee of a killing to be construed as an actual right of reproduction, since the 'other' is already alive, not potentially alive? If you can explain that to me without it amounting to killing being touted as a reproductive right, I'll count myself informed.
270 posted on 06/06/2003 1:48:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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