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Lawsuit over NAFTA will head to court
El Paso Times ^ | June 6, 2003 | Louie Gilot

Posted on 06/06/2003 5:47:52 AM PDT by FITZ

Mediation in the lawsuit by El Paso displaced workers failed last week, leaving the parties to meet in court this winter and debate the adequacy of job training offered by the federal government, officials from the Catholic diocese and the Asociación de Trabajadores Fronterizos said Thursday.

The suit, filed in April 2002 by six trade-displaced garment workers and the association, a workers advocacy group, accuses the Texas Workforce Commission, the Upper Rio Grande Workforce Development Board and the U.S. Department of Labor of not rising to NAFTA's expectations.

The governmental agencies involved deny the workers' claims. "We feel we're taking positive steps to improve the training for the workers with the funds available," said Martin Aguirre, CEO of the Upper Rio Grande workforce board.

Bishop Armando X. Ochoa celebrated a Mass Thursday night at St. Patrick Cathedral for displaced workers and the unemployed.

Since the trade agreement went into effect in 1994, tens of thousands of workers have lost their jobs to Mexico, particularly in El Paso's garment industry, which employed about 22,000 workers in the early 1990s but fewer than 8,000 in 2001. This year alone, 3,500 workers have lost their jobs in El Paso.

One of them, Rodolfo Diaz, 50, was among 450 workers laid off from Sun Apparel-Jones this spring.

"We are working people," he said in Spanish. "We want to keep working."

The workers want bilingual training, saying that expecting them to learn English in the 18 months of allowed training is unrealistic and discriminatory.

The workers walked away from a day and a half of mediation because they didn't feel the government was making offers that met their demands, said Guillermo Glenn, coordinator of the Asociación de Trabajadores Fronterizos. A court hearing is scheduled for Dec. 12.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bilingualism; freetrade; nafta; unemployment
adequacy of job training offered by the federal government

By the taxpayers. Of course it's not adequate, some jobs they could be retrained for might require a little English language skills, if people have lived in the US for 20 years and haven't learned the language by now, it's because they don't wish ever to learn it.

We're stuck with these people who originally came from Mexico but would never dream of going back because their jobs went there, they're not "retrainable" so we can provide for them the rest of their lives.

1 posted on 06/06/2003 5:47:52 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
"We are working people," he said in Spanish. "We want to keep working."

The workers want bilingual training, saying that expecting them to learn English in the 18 months of allowed training is unrealistic and discriminatory.

Maybe if they learned English, providing they are here legally, then they would have a better chance of finding work. Don't let this country go the way Canada went. THere, you need to be bilingual to get a government job. Since only the French learn English, they get all the positions of power. Don't let Spanish-Enlish bilingualism happen here!

2 posted on 06/06/2003 5:57:10 AM PDT by doc30
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It's definitely already here ---many of these people have lived here 20-30 years and still will not learn English, they'd rather lay around and let the taxpayers support them, they can't move to other parts of the US except Spanish-speaking areas, they're not about to go back to Mexico where they'd have to work for a living. We're stuck with them ---thousands who will never work again because of NAFTA taking their jobs to Mexico. It's not all that hard for an illegal from Mexico to find work around here because they'll do the hard work for low pay that Americans and Mexican immigrants won't do.
3 posted on 06/06/2003 6:04:05 AM PDT by FITZ
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Union mentality has infiltrated the once proud hispanic workforce. Now, instead of being proud of their work ethic, the unions have them sitting and waiting for a handout while they complain about the handouts they're being given.

Los unions van a matarles - salgan de los socialistas y reveulven a EEUU.

4 posted on 06/06/2003 6:08:29 AM PDT by Principled
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Union mentality has infiltrated the once proud hispanic workforce.

Our government is just as guilty ---supposedly the justification for NAFTA is we didn't need low-skilled jobs in the US ---but we keep the low-skilled workers and even bring in many more. Many never became citizens of the US anyhow --- but they won't be heading back home, they'll stay and collect their handouts and meanwhile if the farmers want the chili picked, they'll have to find illegals to do that harder kind of work.

5 posted on 06/06/2003 6:19:40 AM PDT by FITZ
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Our government is just as guilty

Yep. We have socialism-creep.

6 posted on 06/06/2003 6:47:04 AM PDT by Principled
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LEARNING ENGLISH IN 18 MONTHS IS UNREASONABLE???? Gimme a break. We had people in WW II who learned a foreign language pretty fluently in SIX months.

Sorry, my heart doesn't break for a guy who still doesn't speak English and can't learn it in 18 months.

7 posted on 06/06/2003 7:11:56 AM PDT by LS
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Actually these people have been here often for 20 years or more ---they didn't learn English in 20 years and don't want to learn it in 18 months ---thousands are now not working ---but you won't see them heading off to do farm work ---or any kind of work. They can lay around and the Catholic Church will help them sue the government for more taxpayer provided handouts.
8 posted on 06/06/2003 7:20:18 AM PDT by FITZ
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My heart doesn't exactly break for them either ---but what are we going to do with them the rest of their lives? Now they insist that any job training be done in Spanish so they won't have to suffer and learn English ----but then any jobs they could get would require no English as a requirement. People who can't learn English in 18 months or in 20 years aren't going to be capable of learning much else ---certainly no computer programming languages.
9 posted on 06/06/2003 7:22:52 AM PDT by FITZ
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Yah, I agree. This only makes me suspicious, though, that they don't want to work, hence, suspicious of the anti-NAFTA lawsuit.
10 posted on 06/06/2003 7:36:03 AM PDT by LS
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Which, of course, I disagree with. That isn't NAFTA's fault: that's the stupid Church's fault for subsidizing them and the GOVERNMENT's fault if it finds for them in this case (which I don't think it will).

We had thousands of Irish bums who came over in the 1840s; thousands of Scandanavians in the 1870s who NEVER learned English. Doesn't mean that many of the others weren't great people and hard workers. It means that these people were bums.

11 posted on 06/06/2003 7:39:28 AM PDT by LS
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In addition to your post. The folks that don't think the spanish speakers haven't learned any English in the one, five, ten, or twenty years they have been here are sadly mistaken. They know english quite well most of them and just refuse to use it. Just insult one of them in English and see the reaction you'll get.
12 posted on 06/06/2003 8:32:57 AM PDT by llabhgiH
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bttt
13 posted on 06/06/2003 7:53:10 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: llabhgiH
They know english quite well most of them and just refuse to use it

I wouldn't say they learned it all that well ---but many know some ---not nearly enough to find jobs that require English. It's easier to sue to get more welfare money (the taxpayers aren't just providing 18 months of free education, we're also paying their living expenses while they're supposed to be persuing this education). We have a lot here who I doubt will ever work again ---- it was better when they were making their $8-10 an hour and getting health insurance and setting an example for their kids to see ---parents going off to work. Now it's just wait for the government money to come in each month.

14 posted on 06/07/2003 9:28:25 AM PDT by FITZ
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