[Wonder Warthog]

"The Koran however is convincing Moslems to leave the religion. You should try reading it some times, it reads like the ramblings of a drunken madman."

Whether Islam is capable of the necessary "reformation" is the question. The "powers that be" within Islam certainly are blaming anything and everything for the failure of Islam's adherents in obtaining economic success (despite being recipients of huge amounts of oil-derived wealth).

Eventually, I think they will run out of viable scapegoats, and it will be "reform or disappear".

[American in Israel]

I think a lot of the problem is the strong undercurrent of the culture the Koran has infused the Arabic nations with. The Koran was created to make a strong army to raid caravans and towns with. A culture based on theft and strength over production and society is weak and one sided. Innovation is not prized it is squashed on sight. Even if somehow Islam was to collapse, the cultures have been so degraded it will take generations to become a productive society on its own. Like a cancer that has eaten all but the vital organs, once the cancer is gone, no strength is left.

How does a society based on rage and theft build anything bu defensive walls against it's neighbors? Innovation and invention is prized in western cultures, power and cunning is prized in Arabic ones. You cannot make an exportable product on power and cunning.

The poisons of Islam run deep, and will take a long time to purge, even if the people wanted to.

[Dead Dog]

The difference is that the Christian reformation was a return of the church to the bible, to Reform Islam would require re-writing the Koran. The difference is fundamental.